Bios Couldn't recognise my 13GB Hard disk

I am using a Pentium 233 MMX pc.in a VX intel mother board.recently i have changed my 6.4 GB hard disk with a 13 GB Quantum HDD.I  partitioned it in a celeron system. When I fixed it into my machine the BIOS did not recognise 13 GB. and it shows only 8.4 GB.when I boot with a Win98 Startup disk, the Fdisk command says "Couldn't write to fixed disk" but after I 've installed Win98 it is recognising all 3 partitions.how can I fix this problem?
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1cellCommented:
2 options

1st and more attractive is to flash the BIOS on the motherboard

2nd is to use a Disk Drive Overlay program provided by the drive manufacturer to make the BIOS see the entire drive.
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riyazAuthor Commented:
How can I flash the BIOS? could you please help me 1cell?
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rayt333Commented:
What model is your MB? Is it an Intel MB or just uses the Intel chip?
Need Manufacturer and Model # of the MB and we can guide you to the correct BIOS upgrade if there is one available. And give detailed instructions on how to install the update
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1cellCommented:
wow, I'm glad Ray hit this.  I saw your question earlier and tried to post, had a problem of my own and went to lunch.  Sorry, forgot about ya!!!

here's my take on BIOS flashes:

1st they can do really good things and really bad things and if you don't know why you're doing it, don't!!!

really good things can include recognizing larger hard drives, certain types of RAM, USB support, Y2K issues, etc.

really bad things can be failure to boot amongst other pleasures of life and in many cases the change can't be reversed which means, buy a new motherbaord for $100.

now, having said that, flashing the BIOS on this system might help it to see the larger drive.  Then again, it might not and could result in other problems.

The DDO will definately solve the problem but has its own bugs as well.

Now that I've given my opinion, find out what your motherbaord is.  Who is the manufacturer of your system?  How old is it? we'll find the BIOS flash.


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OttaCommented:
> Pentium 233 MMX pc.in a VX intel mother board

That's a very-old "original-Pentium" motherboard.  I doubt that this BIOS can be upgraded to support "larger-than-8GB" hard-drives.

> Win98 it is recognising all 3 partitions.
> how can I fix this problem?

What problem?  What does WIN98 report -- how much disk-space?
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1cellCommented:
are you saying that you have the drive partitioned to where windows can see it???  if so, the limitation is not in your BIOS if it sees the whole drive.  The problem is with how the partitions were formatted.

As otta says, and I've mentioned above, on older systems, flashing the BIOS might not help and the DDO might be your best bet if it is a BIOS problem.
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riyazAuthor Commented:
Dear friends,
I just patitioned and formatted with win98 startup disk (Fdisk) I think my BIOS also not very old. It's ID is 02/14/97-i430VX,ITE8680-2A59GL1fc-00
is this a very old BIOS ? Windows 98 is reconising the real capacity of the hard disk, that is 13GB. as well as the partitions.Now my problem is how can I let recognise the BIOS the real capacity of the HDD? and why win98 startup disk's Fdisk gives error message while I try to repatition it or view it's partition information?
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riyazAuthor Commented:
and please 1cell tell me about DDO . could you please mail me? my address is:
smriyaz@lanka.ccom.lk
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1cellCommented:
sounds like you already used the DDO program.  this would make sense with the problems with fdisk and the BIOS not seeing the entire drive.  
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1cellCommented:
DDO is a  disk drive overlay program which many hard drive manufacturers use these days to get their drives recognized by systems whose BIOS wont see them.  Basically, it splits the drive into recognizable sizes and then combines them so it's still just one drive in explorer.  what kind of hard drive is this?
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riyazAuthor Commented:
yeah!! I know disk drive overlay program like Segate's Disk manager or Caviar's EZ disk is n't it. can I use like those programs? How about flashing my BIOS?
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riyazAuthor Commented:
This is a Quantum Fire ball HDD.and there are no any DDO provided by manufacturer.
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1cellCommented:
quantums program is called Ontrack Disk Manager
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1cellCommented:
the BIOS flash might help but we can't be sure without knowing what BIOS flash you would use.  We need to know the manufacturer and model of your motherbaord and BIOS as well as the version of BIOS.
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riyazAuthor Commented:
I am using a Award Plug n play BIOS with a ID :02/14/97-i430VX,ITE8680-2A56GL1FC-00 are these informations enough? if not how can I find more infromations about my BIOS?
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1cellCommented:
I can't find a flash for that ANYWHERE!!!  I actually found three separate newsgroup posts where about 20 others are looking for it.

who is the manufacturer of this system,?
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1cellCommented:
you can email the following address in request for your BIOS
sales@unicore.com
give them the numbers you posted above and they might be able to help.  however, if this is a propietary board, a generic flash might cuase problems.
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rayt333Commented:
from the number at the site I checked it says it is a Lucky Star MB but at their site I could not find this MB.
http://www.lucky-star.com.tw/technical/bios/intel.htm#SUPER 7 M/B

1cell
are you having any luck??
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1cellCommented:
just what I mentioned above.  I think the best solution here is to get the DDO from quantum
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1cellCommented:
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rayt333Commented:
Really if Windows see the HD at the correct size and your only problem is that your BIOS does not see the correct size, then I would not worry about it. If you try to flash your BIOS with an incorrect update then you may ruin the BIOS chip leaving you without a working BIOS and a worthless MB. Are you sure you want to risk that??
I'm sure that 1cell would agree that the wrong BIOS can be hazardous to your system.
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1cellCommented:
rayt333, just checked out your link and it seems that's all for newer boards
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rayt333Commented:
Yep thats what I thought too, they must have discontinued support for the older stuff.
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1cellCommented:
as well as intel
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1cellCommented:
I'm sure that 1cell would agree that the wrong BIOS can be hazardous to your system. >>>

Mentioned that many times above.  I do agree
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rayt333Commented:
LOL   I seen that
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1cellCommented:
have you gone into CMOS setup and selected "autodetect drives"?



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1cellCommented:
30 points?!
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riyazAuthor Commented:
I tried that but it can recognize only 8.4 GB .I already checked in uncore's site and applied for a upgrade.. wait and see..!
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rayt333Commented:
too generous huh?
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riyazAuthor Commented:
okay i increased it!
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1cellCommented:
lol, make sure to save some points for your next question regarding cold fusion which should probably be worth 75 points to you!!!

just giving you a hard time, don't take it personally.
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riyazAuthor Commented:
wait and see for somewhile!
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rayt333Commented:
Yeah that was just a running joke between me and 1cell
Didn't mean to offend you
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1cellCommented:
I'm just totally confused as to how the BIOS doesn't recognize it but Windoze does.  Windows gets the info from BIOS.  That's why me thinks you already have the DDO.  Ray?
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riyazAuthor Commented:
its Okay!
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riyazAuthor Commented:
No I dont have any DDO already!
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1cellCommented:
I know.  You told me already.  Like I said, I'm just totally confused how this is happening.  BRB, going to our lab.
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rayt333Commented:
Maybe not, but as long as Windoze see the size as being correct then I wouldn't worry about it. Leave it alone
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riyazAuthor Commented:
I dont worry about it. but if I want to Repatition it or reformat it I cant go  search for a new mother board to do that. that is the problem.
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1cellCommented:
I'm posting this as an answer because it's the most sensible thing I've heard in days.  I spoke to the senior technician in our lab, being PB/NEC.  I told him what was going on here and my confusion.  He said the only way this could be occuring is from a DDO program.  I told him that there had been none installed.  He asked if it was a maxtor or quantum drive.  Of course, I told him quantum.  Here's the info I was given.

Quantum and Maxtor with more manufacturers to follow soon are walking right past the problem of BIOS manufacturers not being able to keep up with the ever growing sizes of hard drives.  They are doing this by pre-loading the DDO in the master boot record of the drive.  It is basically transparent to the user because they just plug the drive in and regardless of BIOS limitations, it flies.  The only way to rid the disk of this DDO is to debug the master boot record.

The bottom line:
This is the way it's supposed to be and it's working correctly.  Do not flash your BIOS as it will be a generic update and could cause serious problems in addition to the fact that it probably wont solve the problem at hand.  

We all learned something.  I guess that's the point of the site!

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rayt333Commented:
1cell
That is good info.
AND I agree with your answer, leave it alone


riyaz
why did you use another computer to format the HD in the first place?
When you use a bootdisk and run FDISK (without changing anything) what does it show there for partition sizes?
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OttaCommented:
> I think my BIOS also not very old.
> It's ID is  02/14/97-i430VX, ITE8680-2A59GL1fc-00
> Is this a very old BIOS ?

I've got T-shirts from 1979; they are old.
However, a computer BIOS from February 1997 is *VERY* old, i.e., it definitely predates hard-drives larger than 8.4GB.

The 'L1' in '2A59GL1FC-00' points to:

Lucky Star
Web-site: http://www.lucky-star.com.tw 
Phone: +886-2-299-0222
Fax:   +886-2-299-0112, 299-2045

Other parts of that string identify:

2A59G: Intel Triton VX chipset (Socket 7 based m/b)

2A59GL1FC-00: Lucky Star Flamingo/5I-VX1C

If you are very "brave", check:

ftp://ftp.lucky-star.com.tw/pub/Bios/

and try to find the correct BIOS.
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riyazAuthor Commented:
Okay 1cell I accepted your answer.Thank you so much.
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1cellCommented:
glad I could help
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