Windows 95 and USB

Hello,
I'm trying to get my new nifty Microsfot Intellimouse working under windows 95 on my Acer Extensa 390 Laptop.

The version of Windows 95 I have does have USB support.

After installing Windows 95, I ran the usbsupp.exe program in the \other\usb direcotry of the Windows 95 CD.

This all appeared to work okay.

When I then plug in my new USB mouse, it complains that the mouse is not working properly and I should update the drivers.

When I go to update the drivers via the Intellimouse CD, it complains that it can't find hidclass.sys, hidparse.sys and hidusb.sys files.  They are nowhere on the Intellimouse CD.

The laser on the mouse does glow red, so the mouse is at least getting power from the USB port.

The mouse does not appear to work at all in WIndows.  No movement, no clicking.  The mouse works fine on other machines

Malcolm
trevenaAsked:
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MrbreezeCommented:
Does this help?
IntelliMouse with IntelliEye
To use Microsoft IntelliMouse with IntelliEye with the scroll wheel you need:

PC System Requirements
• IntelliPoint version 3.0 software (included)
• One of the following operating systems: Microsoft Windows® 95, Windows 98, Windows NT® Workstation 4.0 Service Pack 3 or later
• 30 MB of available hard disk space
• Round mouse port (PS/2-compatible) or USB port
• CD-ROM

Note: the zoom function works in Microsoft Office97-compatible or later applications.

** Connection to the USB port on a PC requires that Windows98 be running on your computer
                   Mrbreeze
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swwelshCommented:
Usb on win95 is not reliable, to the point that most manufacturers won't even offer support unless you have 98. It does work for some people, though. Does the usb controller show any problems in device manager? - it should show the controller and the usb root hub under the usb tab
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rayt333Commented:
trevena
Like mentioned above USB is a hit or miss with Win95, but if in your case you can get the USB port to work then just install the mouse as a generic mouse with drivers for USB. I have the Microsoft Intellieye moust and the software was causing problems with other software so I removed it and just installed the mouse as a generic PS2 mouse and it works just fine. There may be some things that don't work correctly but as of yet I have not noticed anything. The scroll function works and the mouse works???
You don't have the ajustable features that the software had but it works just fine.
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MrbreezeCommented:
I think the problem is that if it is Win95 you can't use it on the USB port.

<The version of Windows 95 I have...>

<Round mouse port (PS/2-compatible) or USB port>
<** Connection to the USB port on a PC requires that Windows98 be running on your computer>
                         Mrbreeze
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trevenaAuthor Commented:
Hello,
a lot of these suggestions seem to suggest that I should use a converter and use the ps/2 port.

The whole reason I got a USB mouse was so that I didn't have to use the ps/2 port.

So it is required that the mouse goes into the usb port.

Rayt333: You seem to be suggesting that I plug it into the usb port and then do some funny things with drivers.

Is that what you meant?

Malcolm
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MrbreezeCommented:
Don't think Ray means you can use it in the USB port. Microsoft says it won't work on Win95 in a USB port.
                           Mrbreeze
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rayt333Commented:
If you can get Windoze to see it on the USB port then instead of the drivers that came with it, use generic USB mouse drivers is what I meant. I don't know if this will work but you can try.
Just because Microsoft says it won't work with the supplied drivers doesn't mean you can't use a workaround and get it working.
This is just a suggestion but personally not what I would spend too much time with. You must remember that the USB is hit or miss with Win95, you may spend an hour getting it to work today and then tommorrow it may not work again.

If you must use it as a USB mouse then why not upgrade to Win98???

Good luck and keep us informed on your progress
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eppsmanCommented:
Microsoft's hardware drivers do not support USB on Win95. Even though the supplement is installed and some 3rd party scanners and such will run on Win95 USB, MS drivers check the version and refuse to run. They probably could run, although I do not know how stable it would be, but they of course want you to upgrade, so they make the drivers work with 98 only.
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micanekCommented:
Only the very last version of Win95 supported USB and this was only distributed with OEM packages probably in the June 1998 time frame just prior to release of Win98
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j2Commented:
To summarize

The ms intellimouse DOES NOT WORK on win95 (even with USB upgrades) if you wish to use USB, you are stuck with serial.
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MichaelMarchCommented:
It could be the usb port itself, that it is running on a codex usb driver, and you may need a usb hardware amplifier.  There about 20$ canadian.
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j2Commented:
Michael: I have an Intellimouse explorer myself, and i quote (translated from swedish).

"To use this device on Windows95, you will have to use the PS2 to serial converter, as the device will only work on USB under the Windows98 platform"
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trevenaAuthor Commented:
Upgraded to win 98.
Sigh....
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rayt333Commented:
And did the mouse work ok then??
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MrbreezeCommented:
Glad to see it works for you, though you don't seem too happy about the resolution...LOL... Perhaps you would consider accepting a comment as an answer and close the thread. If you don't the question will go into auto delete and erase from the data base. Seems a waste after all the work everyone has gone through.
                       Mrbreeze
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merithCommented:
How about upgrading to 98? sounds alot safer than some of these other suggestions.  Using incorrect drivers with some hardware can actually cause the hardware to fail. USB transmits power not just signal. Be carefull playing with the driver, the wrong one may over power the device.
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trevenaAuthor Commented:
The mouse worked fine once I upgraded to win 98
Thanks for your help
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rayt333Commented:
Mrbreeze, swwelsh, j2  
I'm posting questions for each of you to split the points since we all said pretty much the same thing. "upgrade to Win98"
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