MS SideWinder GamePad - Not Working

Hi,

I recently formatted my C:\(Windows 95), and installed back many softwares such as IE5, Office 2000, Voodoo3 Drivers, etc.  I installed my SideWinder game pad, and tried to play it in my games such as NHL 2000 or NFSIISE.  The controller is not being recognized at all.  I can calibrate it in Game Controller from Control Panel.  I used the latest Sidewinder Software 3.2, and it didn't worked.  I don't know what happenned.  The Sidewinder was working great before I formatted my computer.  

What should I do?  The SideWinder GamePad is not working in non of my games, but they are being recognized "OK" in Windows 95.  I also reinstalled my C-Media sound drivers, and it didn't help too.  I also still have problem after I installed DirectX7a.  

Here is my system spec.  Cyrix233MMX, 32MB RAM, Windows 95, VooDoo3 2000 PCI (Hacked 1.03.05 Driver), and C-Media 8330 sound card (actually onboard sound).

Thanks for reading this and I hope you can help me solve this problem.
kobu84Asked:
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compmaniaConnect With a Mentor Commented:
Thought I posted a comment about the sound card, must have been a different question...

For the heat put the SB on the farthest slot to the left and the V3 to the farthest right slot. Another good thing to do is to buy a little $8 fan to put next to the V3 to cool it.

Glad you could get it to work.
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compmaniaCommented:
Try going to the directx dir (normal is c:\program files\directx\setup and run the program called dxdiag, click the input tab, is the gamepad listed?
If it is not try reinstalling Directx.
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compmaniaCommented:
Why are you deleting this question?
If it worked you have to give me the points. OTHERWISE IT IS STEALING.
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kobu84Author Commented:
sorry, it is listed, but not working
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compmaniaCommented:
Try going to device manager (windows logo key+break, device manager) Scroll down to sound, video and game controllers, remove all devices related to the sound card (and joystick). Restart

Another thing to try is restarting in safe mode (hit f8 when it says "Starting Windows 95", choose safe mode) go to device manager and remove the "ghost" devices. Restart

Also try installing this if the above will not work for you:

http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10112-100-865975.html?tag=st.dl.10001_103_1.lst.titledetail
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kobu84Author Commented:
hey,

thanks for replying back to me, after I accidently deleted the question and not replying for lonnngggg time.  

I made many changes in my computer.  First major change, is that I upgraded to Windows 98 SE.  Unfortunatly it didn't work, and i even did clean install twice.  

I pretty much played around with directx lately.  For example, I unistall it with the special unintaller from the 'net.  I started from DX3 to 5 to 6.1 to 7a, and none of these moves help.  

I also deleted some files such as DDRAW, DSOUND, DINPUT from the DOS, and even copied those files from W98SE cd.  It didn't work.  I don't know what to do.  

My controller was working great when I had W95 for first time, and after first intall of W98 (I had to format again for unrelated reasons).  When I first boot computer, I am able to calbrate it in Game Controller from Control Panel.  Then I tried to use it in NHL 2000 or NFSIISE, the sidewinder is not being recognized.  Then I went back to W98 and Game Controller, it said "Not Connected".    

I check out MS web site, and found this article http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/ARTICLES/Q189/5/92.asp and it said that my DX files may be missing or I'm using different version.  I found out that I'm missing GCHAND.DLL and most of my files are in different versions (check link).

What version of DX is W98SE using?  Where can I find the installer in the cd(which cab file).  

I also tried SWConfigurator, the one you told me about, and it said my SW is not in Device 1 and it can't change anything until I change it to Device 1, something like that.  Can you help me with that.

Please help, and I really appreciate it.  Thanks again.

Kobu S.
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kobu84Author Commented:
Also, I'm currently using DX7a, and SW Software 2.0.  I'm switching to V3 driver to 1.04, since my games are working great, and SW are not related to video driver.  Thanks again.
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compmaniaCommented:
DON'T delete those files.
Just use DX7a, sounds like something is wrong with the gamepad, can you get it replaced? Do you have another to try in the gameport?

I am not familar with those games (never played them), are they for Dos or windows?

Do you use the gamepad software? I found it will mess the pad up if you do, just use the settings in the game.

Also try reinstalling DX7a (undelete it first (got this from dew_associates):

Okay, it can be done in either of two ways depending on which version is installed and which version you decide to go to. DirectX does not plant any magical entries in the registry. Except for DX7, all of the entries are the same from version 6.1 through to 6.4. DX7 adds just one addiional entry for acceleration, which can really be left behind if necessary as it will just call the same VXD.

Let's understand what DirectX really is, it's a combined set of enhanced sound and video card driver add-ons and nothing more. While MS doesn't tell you this, when you either upgrade or downgrade a DX version, you should always reinstall your sound and video drivers.

Now, the above aside, let's get to the two ways of doing this. Win98 comes with DirectX version 5.2. Version 6.1, 6.4 and 7.x are currently available, and there are derivitives of each except for version7.

If you installed Win98 or Win98SE and had 5.2 and then added 6.0, 6.1, 6.4 or 7.0, open Windows Explorer and go to the \Programs\DirectX folder. In there you will see a file DxDiag. Click on it and review the material in it as it will give you a comprehensive view of where the DX files are located and which drivers are in use and their dates.

Now, start the DirectX Setup tool:
 
1. Click Start, point to Find, and then click Files Or Folders.
 
2. In the Named box, type "dxsetup.exe" (without the quotation marks).
 
3. In the Look In box, click Local Hard Drives, or click the hard disk on which Microsoft Windows is installed.
 
4. Click Find Now.
 
5. In the list of found files, double-click the Dxsetup.exe file.
 
If you do not see the Dxsetup.exe file in the list of found files, close the Find: Files Named Dxsetup.exe window, and then follow these steps to run DirectX Setup from the CD-ROM:
 
1. Insert the CD-ROM for the game that includes the latest version of DirectX into the CD-ROM drive. Press and hold down the SHIFT key as you insert the CD-ROM to prevent the program from starting automatically.
 
2. On the desktop, double-click My Computer.
 
3. Right-click the CD-ROM drive, and then click Install DirectX.
 
The DirectX setup tool does not remove DirectX, but it will permit you to go back to earlier versions.

Now the second way is a little more complex, but it works nonetheless.

1. All DirectX files are preceded by two letters DX and are generally found in the \Windows\System directory, although I have found them (especually DLL files) in other directories as well. The only exception to this are the DirectX approved signature files for your specific video card and/or sound card, and there are about 27 of those files. These can generally be ignored if you follow the MS recommendation mentioned earlier about updated video drivers.

2. Given the above, make sure that you have available all of the files for the version of DirectX that you want installed. Save the files and especially the setup executible in a folder than you can locate.

3. Now boot the system into safemode and remove all the DX files from both \Windows\System and \Windows\INF. If you want to be more thorough, use find, files and folders and search the other directories, but like I said, this is rarely necessary. Obviously, you can merely move these files to two temp directories if you're playing between versions.

4. Once this finished, run the setup for the version you want.

5. Now reboot the system to a command prompt only.

6. Change directories to \Windows\Command.

7. Now run SCANREG/FIX

In either case, reboot normally
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kobu84Author Commented:
Hey,

I read your suggestions, but I haven't really tried it.  I'm pretty much it won't work, but I'll give it a try tomorrow (after school).  

I reinstalled W98SE and DX7a.  It seemed successful.   However, the controller won't work in any games.  I'm not using that controller software that came with it.  I only set it up in the game.  My games are W9x, and the SW could play in W9x and DOS.  

When I looked through the DX files in DXDiag, all the files matches the one that Microsoft had at http://support.microsoft.com/Support/DirectX/DirectX_7.0/TShooter/Causes/dxvers.asp  However, the dinput.dll does not match the MS listed.  So, I'm guess that this could be the main reason why SW is not working.  Or the one I'm using (4.07.00.0716) is the latest file and that it's only updates in DX7a (only updates DirectInput).

What should I do?  I'm going to install the latest SideWinder software and see what happen.  

Where can I find DirectX 5.2 and 6.4 from the net?  I can't find them at MS or any game web sites.  Thanks and I hope that you will continue to help me.  Thanks again.  
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compmaniaCommented:
It should be on one of your game cd's. I cannot find it either so I guess you are out of luck.

Plus I found a program to remove DX:

http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10107-100-905876.html?tag=st.dl.10001_103_1.lst.titledetail
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kobu84Author Commented:
Hey, I installed the latest SW Software, and it doesn't work.  What next?  You know in the SW Config file you told me about earlier, they said I should set the device as 1 (something like that), so how should do that?  Maybe that why it is not being recognized.  Thanks.  Please reply.
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compmaniaCommented:
Ok, when you go to game controllers click the advanced tab and make sure all in the top scrolling box say none next to the number. Now double click on 1 and click on the sidewinder (click ok), now try the gamepad in the game (if that doesn't work go out of it and run the program) With the SW you can only have 1 joystick (or gamepad) at a time unless you have another MS. (I guess)
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kobu84Author Commented:
Actually, the contoller is already set as 1 in the device setting.  This seem like a hard thing to solve, and also very annoying if you are in my situation.  

First the controller was working like charm in Dec 99, then here comes my cd drive which was broken, then one of my best upgrade in a long time: Voodoo3 2000 (installed without cd drive being repaired), then got my new and free cd.  Decided to reinstall V3 drivers with cd, then things going crazy.  NHL 2000 not working, but strangely demo worked with SW.  Formatted my C:\, with W95C and SW stopped working.  Upgraded to W98SE controller working, and NHL 2000 stopped working.  Then formatted C:\ again.  NHL 2000 worked great, and SW stopped.  AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!  

I'm willing to add 100 extra points for anyone who will help me to get NHL 2000 AND SIDEWINDER GAMEPAD working both.  That's all I want.  Thanks again, and hope you will continue to help me.

What should I do?  Give me all the ideas you have such as uninstalling DX and use particular version, or reinstall 98 with particular DX version, etc.  Thanks again.
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compmaniaCommented:
Try (not in advanced) to remove all then add the SW, run the program.
I think the DX on the NHL cd would work fine, just use the above program to remove it, install it again from the CD and try doing the SW thing after.

Also try downloading the patch, maybe it will fix the problem:

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compmaniaCommented:
Try (not in advanced) to remove all then add the SW, run the program.
I think the DX on the NHL cd would work fine, just use the above program to remove it, install it again from the CD and try doing the SW thing after.

Also try downloading the patch, maybe it will fix the problem:

http://www.gamespot.com/sports/nhl2000/downloads.html
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compmaniaCommented:
You said when you installed the drivers from the CD it went crazy, have you tried installing the other ones that worked?
Try going into the device manager again and remove the V3, restart and use those drivers.
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kobu84Author Commented:
Hey, I removed DX7a with the latest DXUninstaller.  I reinstalled DX6.1 from NHL2K and reinstalled SW2.0 Then at the DXTool, it doesn't say any version number of DX for DInput and DSound.  Last time, when my SW worked, it said DX6 for Sound & Input.  

I think something must have stopped DXSetup from copying those files to the computer.  What should I do?  

I am planning on doing complet format on my computer.  Maybe this will work.  What do you think?

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compmaniaCommented:
Might, don't install DX7, just stick with DX6.1, did it say DX6 with DX7?

That is about all, if the format then install doesn't work post a comment.
Hope you get it working.
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kobu84Author Commented:
Adjusted points to 300
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kobu84Author Commented:
It says DX6.1 in DXDiag, and DX6 in DXTool.  Thanks for trying to help me.

I'm going to post messages around EE and hopefully everyone can come and help me.

Anyone reading this:  I'm going to raise to 300 POINTS!!!  I just want my SideWinder GamePad and NHL 2000 working together...

Please continue to help  
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swwelshCommented:
I went through this on a customer's pc not too long ago. I'm not sure where I saw it, but there was an article about the Sidewinder that said it doesn't work well with some onboard sound cards because of voltage problems. Apparently the game port on the onboard sound cards (the one I was working on was also a Cmedia 8330) don't have enough power to run the sidewinder. The only solution offered was to remove a resistor on the motherboard (not something I was going to do) So I tried using the usb adapter that came with the Sidewinder Pro (this may not apply to yours) and bingo, no more problems. I had DirectX 7.0a, 98SE. Can't help you with the NHL problem, but maybe the usb option could help with the controller.
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kobu84Author Commented:
Actually, before I formatted my hard drive, my SideWinder was working great.  I don't think it's the hardware problem.  Most likely the drivers probelm.

Here is the info from my DXTool:
Direct3D - 4.06.02.0436 - DirectX6
DirectDraw - 4.06.02.0436 - DirectX6
DirectInput - <not found> - DirectX # #
DirectPlay - 4.06.02.0436 - DirectX6
DirectSound - <not found> - DirectX # #

I think for the SW to work, it needs the missing DX6.1 files for DInput and DSound.  Do you know what I mean?

I'm going to try manually copy the files from NHL 2K CD.

Kobu S.
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compmaniaCommented:
What did you do to it?
Sounds like you need to install Windows again then install DX again.
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kobu84Author Commented:
Hey, I just did full format and reinstall.  I'm downloading the sound drivers.  

At the DXDiag, it says I have DX6.1a and that all files are fine.  I hope this will work.  

I'll get back to you later.  
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compmaniaCommented:
I hope so too, how long has it been? 23 days?
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kobu84Author Commented:
Actually it has been 3 months...  

Unfortunatly, the sound drivers doesn't work.  So, I'm updated to DX7, and downloading the SW 3.02 software.  Hope that will work.  Every seems to be in proper order, especially DirectX.

Talk to you later.

Kobu S.
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kobu84Author Commented:
Hey,

Sorry, the SW Software 3.02 and DX7 won't work.  I don't know what to do.  I could try 7a patch, but will it work?  Do you guys have any other suggestion?

Thanks, and please reply.

Kobu S.
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compmaniaCommented:
Do you have a joystick or gamepad you can test it with?
Maybe a friend you know.
Might be the SW, can you get it replaced?
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kobu84Author Commented:
Hey, I just tried DX7a and SW3.02, and it didn't work. :(

On the other hand, I overclocked my Voodoo3 2000 to 153Mhz w/o extra fan, and my NHL2K played sweet.  Don't worry, I put 143Mhz back, because I don't want to fry my computer.  However do yout think I can still use V3 at 153 without the fan?  

Anyway, what should I do?  I don't really remember what I did to make the SW work before.  I think I removed 7a, then installed 3, then 5, then 6.1  That's when I found out that SW is working with Need for Speed II SE.  Then NHL 2K stopped working, so I formatted my drive, and NHL2K worked, then SW stopped.  Crazy, right?  

Any more tips?  I don't know what to do with the big points I'm offering.  Nobody seems to want to come and help, but I'm glad you are here.

Thanks.

Kobu S.
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compmaniaCommented:
You want to see people come?
Up the points to 1000, all the ones I have seen that big have MANY people in them. (wonder why)

Can you try a different Joystick or Gamepad? Need to know if it is the SC or the GP.

Don't overclock it, won't do very much.
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kobu84Author Commented:
heh, I got 777 points now...

This is the only SideWinder GamePad I have.  I don't know anybody who I can try it on.  I don't think it the SW hardware.  Something is stopping the SW from being used in the game.  

Before I play a game, it said OK in the Game Controller from Control Panel.  Then when I run a D3D game, it won't work.  Then I checked it in Game Controller, and it said "Not Connected"

My SW is set as Device 1, and it is using the Standard Gameport driver with Polls with Interupts Enabled.

Does this mean anything to you?  I remember that somewhere it said that you shouldn't have "Polls with Interupt Enabled".

However, the gameport I am using (in Device Manager) is "Joystick Device".  The Input/Output Range is: 0200-0207.  

Also, MS web page said that I should have one DMA for my sound card.  The SB16 Audio Device said there is two DMA, 01 & 05.

I hope these information gives you more ideas with my problem.  Thanks.

Kobu S.
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compmaniaCommented:
Do you have any brand gamepad or joystick? (not MS) or do you know someone that does?
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kobu84Author Commented:
Hey,

I simply found a better, quicker, and less troublesome solution.  I upgraded to SoundBlasterLive Value!!!!  And the sounds in games sound like a dream.  And most importantly, the SideWinder WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I'm so glad.  I guess it most be the C-Media's problem.  Oh well, but it's over.  

I don't know what to do with 300 points.  I can't delete the question anymore.  However, I am willing to give it to you, if you answer the following questions.  

1.  My Voodoo3 and SBLive is next to each other.  I heard about how these card can build heats.  Where is the proper position?  (I have 4 PCI slots, and 2 is in use)

Yep, that's it.  Thanks for helping me all the way through, even though this process involve money, which I really can't spend on.  

Kobu S.
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kobu84Author Commented:
Thanks again.
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compmaniaCommented:
Glad to help.
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