Windows Messaging + Internet Mail

Does anybody knows how to install the
Internet Mail Service in the Windows Messaging System (Exchange 4.0) under
Windows 98?

Internet Mail service used to be available under Windows 95, but it's not
available under Windows 98

The only service available is
Microsoft Mail.
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Ricardo CananiAsked:
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malinonCommented:
I believe that all of the messaging stuff has been moved into Outlook express.  Or at least, I know you can use outlook express to get internet email.

Go to the Windows 98 Smart Update page and download Outlook Express (I think it's under the Internet Explorer addons).
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
Outlook Express isn't the solution.
I need to use both Microsoft Mail
ans Internet Mail from Exchange 4.0...

Why doesn't Internet Mail Information Service appear in the Tools->Services->Add dialog?
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bchewCommented:
It doesn't appear because it is not included in Win98.  Like malinon said, its functionality has been replaced by Outlook Express.
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
Adjusted points to 350
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
But is has been included in Win98!

d:\Tools\Oldwin95\Message\Us

Take a look.

http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/readme/98/w98wms-faxtxt.asp

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dew_associatesCommented:
Canai, windows messaging is actually easier to setup than it appears, however there are some caveats that you should be aware of, and that pertains mainly to the mapi changes that it makes. Before doing the acutal install, I would run the System File Checker in order to create a baseline of correct file versions as installing windows messaging will initially install some older file versions that you will need to restore for compatibility purposes. The following spells out the procedure for the installation as well as some variables that may apply. This applies only to Windows 98 4/11/98 and Windows 98 Second Edition all versions:
 
1. Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel, and then double-click
   Add/Remove Programs.
 
2. Click the Windows Setup tab, click Accessories, click Details, click to
   select the WordPad check box, click to select the Imaging check box, click
   OK, and then click OK.
 
3. Insert your Windows 98 or Windows 98 Second Edition CD-ROM in the CD-ROM
   drive. Click "Browse This CD", and then locate the following folder:
 
   Tools\OldWin95\Message\US
 
4. Double-click the Wms.exe program file, follow the instructions on the screen
   to install Windows Messaging, remove the Windows 98 or Windows 98 Second
   Edition CD-ROM from the CD-ROM drive, and then restart your computer.
 
5. Place your Windows 98 or Windows 98 Second Edition CD-ROM in the CD-ROM
   drive. Click "Browse This CD", and then locate the following folder:
 
   Tools\OldWin95\Message\US
 
6. Double-click the Awfax.exe program file, follow the instructions on the
   screen to install Microsoft Fax, and then restart your computer.
 
 
Install Microsoft Fax and Windows Messaging with Outlook 97 or 98
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 
NOTE: If you choose to install Outlook 98 Internet Mail Only, Microsoft Fax may be replaced with WinFax. For additional information about Outlook 98 and Microsoft Fax, please see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
 
   Q183762 Microsoft Fax Replaced with WinFax Starter Edition
 
To install Outlook 97 or Outlook 98 Corporate Workgroup:
 
1. Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel, and then double-click
   Add/Remove Programs.
 
2. Click the program you want to install, and then click Add/Remove.
 
3. Follow the directions and choose to reinstall components, click OK, and then
   restart your computer.
 
Verify Installed Services
-------------------------
 
For the Microsoft Fax program to work properly, the Personal Folders, Personal
Address Book, and Microsoft Fax services must be installed. To verify that these
services are installed, check the "Mail and Fax" or Mail tool in Control Panel:
 
1. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.
 
2. Double-click "Mail and Fax" or Mail. If the Inbox wizard runs, click
   Microsoft Fax Service, and then click OK.
 
   NOTE: If there is a Microsoft Mail system that you connect to, click Microsoft
   Mail and configure it according to the notes you wrote down in the "Record
   Properties of Current Services" section at the beginning of this article.
 
3. Click Personal Address Book, click Properties, browse to the location of the
   .pab file that you wrote down in the "Record Properties of Current Services"
   section of this article, click Open, and then click OK.
 
4. Click Personal Folders, click Properties, browse to the location of the .pst
   file that you wrote down in the "Record Properties of Current Services"
   section of this article, click Open, and then click OK.
 
If the Personal Folders, Personal Address Book, and Microsoft Fax services are
missing, add each service:
 
1. Click Add, click Personal Folders, and then click OK.
 
2. Browse to the .pst file that you wrote down in the "Record Properties of
   Current Services" section of this article, click the .pst file, click Open,
   and then click OK.
 
3. Click Add, click Personal Address Book, and then click OK.
 
4. Browse to the .pab file that you wrote down according in the "Record
   Properties of Current Services" section of this article, click the .pab file,
   click Open, and then click OK.
 
5. Click Add, click Microsoft Fax, and then click OK.
 
Dennis
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
I did the steps 1-6 but when i click tools->services->add in MS Exchange there´s no internet mail service available.

I don´t have Microsoft Office or MS Outlook; Did you try to configure MS Exchange in a Windows 98 box with no MS Office installed?

Under Windows 95, after installing
MS Mail and News or Outlook Express the
internet mail service become available.

I tried to do the same thing under Windows 98 and it didn´t work.


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dew_associatesCommented:
You're going to need some form of mail client that uses MAPI unless your email is only internal such as on a network. Windows Messaging including fax does not include a full email client, so you will need to install either: (A) Inbox, which is a limited mapi reliant email, or one of the Outlook versions.
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zhiCommented:
Windows messaging has been replaced by Outlook.  Use the full version of Outlook - it's compatible with microsoft mail.  The full version comes with MS office.
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dew_associatesCommented:
zhi, Outlook HAS NOT replaced Windows Messaging, it only provides an updated MAPI client. For lack of a more lengthy description, Windows Messaging is a minimal Exchange Client Service that includes mailbox and fax services.
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
zhi: I have a 50 node network and there's no budget to buy any Micro$oft
Office licenses.

dew: how do i install Inbox (limited mapi reliant email) ?



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dew_associatesCommented:
Okay tell me as much as you can about the network, novell or NT or ?? What are the workstations using 95, 98, 98SE or NT etc. Tell me as much as you can about the network setup. Also, how is mail be accessed currently. The more info you provide the better I can help.
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
There's a Windows NT Server 4.0 and the stations are Win95 or Win 98SE and all are using Windows Messaging for internal e-mail. TCP/IP and NetBEUI are the protocols. A Linux box is the gateway for the Internet, and it's a SMTP / POP3 server too.

Company's owner doesn't want all the stations to have external (internet) e-mail, so I have to  keep Microsoft mail for internal e-mail (unless you know how to configure Linux's sendmail to block external e-mail for some users)

Win95 stations can access the SMTP server via Windows Messaging after I install MS Internet Mail and News or Outlook Express. Win98 stations cannot, since Internet Mail Service isn't available on WMS's tools->services->add.



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dew_associatesCommented:
Okay, let's deal with a couple of Win98 issues first. You can install Windows Messaging on the Win98 boxes, presuming that you followed this procedure:

Insert the Windows 98 CD-ROM into the CD-ROM drive, and then close the Windows 98 screen if it appears.

Click Start, and then click Run.

In the Open box, type the following command, and then press ENTER

<drive>:\tools\oldwin95\message\us\wms.exe

where <drive> is the drive letter assigned to your CD-ROM drive.

Note however, sometimes the icon doesn't show correctly, and if this is your problem, let me know.

Also, a clarification, where were the mail boxes for the lan mail created, are they on the NT box or the Linux box. We can prevent the users from getting internet mail by blocking the service, that's easy enough, but let's not add too much to the equation just yet.

You are aware that you can use Outlook Express to access LAN mail, correct?



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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
Yes, i've installed wms as you said above.

The mailboxes for Microsoft Mail are on the NT Box. The pop accounts are on the Linux Box.

Is it possible to access Microsoft Mail through Outlook Express 5.0? I though it was just for SMTP/POP3.

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dew_associatesCommented:
Yes, you can use it to access lan mail and/or internet mail.

Open OE 5 and click on tools. Now all you need to do is click on Tools, Accounts, and Click ADD. Now add an account and setup its parameters for the mail box.
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
I've opened OE 5.0 and clicked:

tools->Accounts->Add->Mail

and it popped an internet mail conection wizard. the only settings i can chose is POP3/IMAP/HTTP.

Where can i specify Microsoft Mail ?

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dew_associatesCommented:
Okay, let's clarify some things here:

You said, "Win95 stations can access the SMTP server via Windows Messaging after I install MS Internet Mail and News or Outlook Express. Win98 stations cannot, since Internet Mail Service isn't available on WMS's tools->services->add."

It doesn't need to be unless your using an existing exchange mail box version 5 or earlier. You can access this directly from within OE 5.





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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
ok:

 1) The SMTP server is the Linux Box;
 2) The MS Mail server is th NT Box;
 3) All stations are accessing correctly its mailboxes in the NT box through WMS;
 4) Some stations need to have SMTP/POP3, but the Win98SE ones cannot have it through WMS.

You say I can use OE 5.0 to access:

   (a) SMTP/POP3 e-mail in the Linux box

AND

   (b) the mailboxes in the NT box.

   
   I just cannot find a way to tell OE 5.0 to access 'b'. Would you mind telling me how to do that step by step ?

  Thanks.


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dew_associatesCommented:
I understand where things are located, but what are you using on the NT box for mail, exchange? If so, which version?
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
I guess the mailboxes were created with Windows 95 WMS.

How can I figure out which is the version ?
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dew_associatesCommented:
You can't run Windows Messaging on an NT server, it needs to be running Exchange Server. Log on to the server as an Admin and then click Start, Settings and then services and look for the exchange client for mail.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Canani, I am reblocking this question and repeating the posts as above with the addition of the fact that the Exchange mail service either needs to be installed, or setup or fully implemented on the server in order to take this issue further.

Dennis
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
Adjusted points to 500
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
Sorry.

All Win95 AND Win98 boxes are already accessing their mailboxes in the NT box via Windows Messaging System (Exchange 4.0).

Win95 boxes are able to access my SMTP/POP3 server, but the Win98 ones aren't.

My question still is:

"Does anybody knows how to install the
Internet Mail Service in the Windows Messaging System (Exchange 4.0) under
Windows 98?"

With some additional restrictions:

I don't have MS Office, MS Outlook or Exchange Server and don't want to buy any additional software.



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dew_associatesCommented:
Canani,

I've given you these answers already, just implement them. You have stated,

"All Win95 AND Win98 boxes are already accessing their mailboxes in the NT box via Windows Messaging System (Exchange 4.0).

Win95 boxes are able to access my SMTP/POP3 server, but the Win98 ones aren't.

My question still is:

"Does anybody knows how to install the
Internet Mail Service in the Windows Messaging System (Exchange 4.0) under
Windows 98?"

I've already told you where to obtain and how to install Windows Messaging.

<drive>:\tools\oldwin95\message\us\wms.exe

Once installed, setup Inbox to access the LAN mailbox. Where is the problem here?

Take note of the fact that you asked whether Outllok Express can be used to access the mail servers, and I said yes, but you need to have Exchange Server at version 5.0 or higher.

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winbeartxCommented:
After you installed WMS.EXE, did you get a Microsoft Mail Workgroup Post Office icon in your control panel?
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
dew:

I want to access the LAN mailbox *AND* the SMTP/POP3 server via WMS/Win98. In other words, i want both Microsoft Mail and Internet Mail services installed in WMS/Win98, since I have it in WMS/Win95.

LAN mailbox is ok, but what about SMTP/POP3 (Internet Mail Service) ?

winbeartx:

Yes

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dew_associatesCommented:
If you want to access both, then you will need to use the Inbox only and not Outlook Express. You will need to setup two services in the Inbox setup and configure one for the LAN mailbox and the other for POP3/SMTP.
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dew_associatesCommented:
By the way, as an aside, I believe that you can still get Outlook 98 for the cost of the CD, which I believe is $8 US, which would probably save you a ton of configuration time.
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
I know the things you said "Friday, February 11 2000 - 11:27AM PST" even before i posted my question.

Outlook 98 is not freeware, so i can't use it.






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dew_associatesCommented:
Then you will need to drop the Outlook Express issue entirely and setup two services in the Inbox setup and configure one for the LAN mailbox and the other for POP3/SMTP.
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
Pleas read the question history again,
from 'Thursday, February 03 2000 - 07:50AM PST' to 'Thursday, February 03 2000 - 07:23AM PST '

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dew_associatesCommented:
Canani, I can't see the times you are referring to as that applies to your region and changes for mine.

Early on you posted the following:

Outlook Express isn't the solution.
I need to use both Microsoft Mail
and Internet Mail from Exchange 4.0...

Why doesn't Internet Mail Information Service appear in the Tools->Services->Add dialog?

Outlook express doesn't support this mail service, however if you install MS Mail correctly, you can configure it from Control Panel.

Your post also implies that you are running Exchange 4.0. The only place that Exchange 4.0 can be is on a Server, and with it you need to setup mailboxes correctly.

A short time later, you posted the following: "All Win95 AND Win98 boxes are already accessing their mailboxes in the NT box via Windows Messaging System (Exchange 4.0)." Which implies that you have Windows Messaging running on Win95 and Exchange 4.0 running on the server and only need to access it from the Win98 boxes.

If you installed Windows Messaging as you were advised, you only need to point inbox to the mail boxes. I suspect that either (A) your not setting up Windows Messaging correctly; or (B) that you haven't setup the shares correctly for those PC's to see their mail boxes.



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dew_associatesCommented:
Canani, I can't see the times you are referring to as that applies to your region and changes for mine.

Early on you posted the following:

Outlook Express isn't the solution.
I need to use both Microsoft Mail
and Internet Mail from Exchange 4.0...

Why doesn't Internet Mail Information Service appear in the Tools->Services->Add dialog?

Outlook express doesn't support this mail service, however if you install MS Mail correctly, you can configure it from Control Panel.

Your post also implies that you are running Exchange 4.0. The only place that Exchange 4.0 can be is on a Server, and with it you need to setup mailboxes correctly.

A short time later, you posted the following: "All Win95 AND Win98 boxes are already accessing their mailboxes in the NT box via Windows Messaging System (Exchange 4.0)." Which implies that you have Windows Messaging running on Win95 and Exchange 4.0 running on the server and only need to access it from the Win98 boxes.

If you installed Windows Messaging as you were advised, you only need to point inbox to the mail boxes. I suspect that either (A) your not setting up Windows Messaging correctly; or (B) that you haven't setup the shares correctly for those PC's to see their mail boxes.



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winbeartxCommented:
Exchange client 4.0 and Windows Messaging System are essentially the same software, just different versions. I've even got some Exchange client 5.0 installed on some machines.
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
I've just installed a new box with Windows 98 SE and configured it to logon on my local domain. I've installed WMS as described in your first answer to my question and can access MS Mail mailboxes without any problem. Nothing new until now.

Now I want to install Internet Mail Service in WMS.

I select Tools->Services->Add dialog
and there's no Internet Mail Service.

I installed MS Outlook Express as i used to do with my win95 boxes just to make this service available, but when I select Tools->Services->Add dialog in WMS there's no Internet Mail Service.

I'm having NO problem with MS mail or mailbox access, I just wanto to install
Internet Mail service for SMTP/POP3 access. This service is never available for adding in that dialog !



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dew_associatesCommented:
Okay, I see where the problem might be.

1. In Control Panel, double-click Add/Remove Programs.
 
2. Click the Windows Setup tab.
 
3. Click Communications, and then click Details.
 
4. Click the Dial-Up Networking check box to select it.
 
5. Click OK, and then click OK.
 
After Dial-Up Networking is installed, double-click the Inbox icon on the desktop to start the Inbox Setup Wizard and install the Internet Mail service.

Dial-Up Networking is not installed during a typical installation, but it is
required to install Internet Mail. Now you should see the internet mail service, now just redirect the service through the LAN.


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matthewurchCommented:
If you download Internet Mail Service for Windows 95 from www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/default.asp, this should work for WMS on win98. I run a similar sounding network to yours, and I use the Windows Messaging Internet Mail client. I think once you run the downloaded executable Internet Mail appears as a service which you can add, and configure to "point" at the correct IP address on your LAN.
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dew_associatesCommented:
I have provided more than enough information at this question to enable the questioner to do as he wishes and install windows messaging across the network. With that, I am posting a reference to the above as the answer.
Dennis
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dew_associatesCommented:
canani, I take note of the fact that you have acceoted all of the above as the answer, and with that graded it with a "D". No doubt you have done this because you also want someone, namely myself, to not only teach you how to implement windows messaging across the network, but also to teach you basic networking skills that you should have already possessed before even having attempted to do this. No one gets something for nothing, in this case you want us to make you look like a hero in front of your customer and you do not possess the basic skills required to back up what you have attempted. Frankly, I feel sorry for you, but not sorry enough to do your work for you!
Dennis
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
Something for Nothing ? I'm getting something for 500 Points.

Despite of my poor english, i think you didn't understand my question even after i've increased it to 500 points. Until there, you had posted six or more almost useless comments.

I graded your answer with 'D' because you deserved it. Your answer is correct, but you took more than 30 days to post it.

P.S. 'basic network skills' has no relationship with your supposed knowledge in getting around Microsoft software's  unsupported backward compatibility. Don't fool yourself.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Canani, points are without any value here to the experts, therefore it is something for nothing. This is a knowledge sharing community, and with that and the requisite underlying knowledge required to implement what you intend is a must. It matters not whther I took one day or several months, you received the information you required, and with that implemented the backwards compatibility. If there were a reason for not understanding your question, it was for your lack of understanding what you intended to do with a sprinkle of a language barrier thrown in for good measure. Nevertheless, you received the answer. As for folling myself, never happens!

I have just come to recognize your lack of technical skill.
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matthewurchCommented:
canai

Instead of using wms on the win98 cd, you could try running the Windows Messaging Update for Win95 (exupdusa.exe). You can download it from
http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~jrc/windows/win95/

This will give you both Microsoft Mail and Internet Mail in Windows Messaging - which I think is what you're after. I have run this on a machine with Win98 and no Windows Messaging, it it works very well - even though it is meant to be an update for Win95 Messaging!
Now this really is something for nothing as Dew already has the points (which he deserves - I'm not trying to get involved with your argument)
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Ricardo CananiAuthor Commented:
Ok.
Thanks for your help.
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