TCPIP.EXE

Hi,

I want to know if there is a file "TCPIP.EXE" or something like that that allows to load the protocol TCPIP in dos.

I want to ghost disk to disk computers via TCPIP and reversed ethernet cables

Actually, I ghost win95 computers via IPX

My batch file is as follow

lsl
RTSODI (My Network adapter driver)
ipxodi
netbios
ghost

What I want to do is replace IPXODI.COM by a file like TCPIP.COM

I don't want files like TCPIP.SYS or files like that. I want an executable file

I have tried to search the net but I didn't find what I want.

Does that exist???

Where can I find that file???

Will it work with Netbios.EXE???

Thank You

yanbergeron24Asked:
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RobWMartinCommented:
Use the old Microsoft Lan Manager s/w.  It's free and we use it regularly.

Download here:

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/misc/fullkb/lanman.zip

Rob
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cmcgeeCommented:
I have built a Ghost Network boot disk to do the same thing almost, with a few additions.

The disk boots in DOS & up ask for computer name/IP-Subnet/Gateway,
Then it makes a Tcp/IP connection to a predefined location (indicated in the autoexec.bat).
Then it starts the ghosting. When it is finished, it creates a log file on the server thats shows Ghost start time/Finish time, date & Logon name.

The only things that would need to be modified are the Autoexec.bat (Location of where ghost file is) & the Protocol.ini (To set what Network card  you are using), plus te appropriate NicDriver.DOS file....

If you would like a copy, I have it compiled into an EXE, that automatically creates the bootdisk...



Craig
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cvanhiltenCommented:
cmcgee

Could you please mail me a copy of the EXE?

My address is: cavh@dialstart.net

Thanks very much.
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yanbergeron24Author Commented:
I tried two times to download the file lanman.zip and everytime I download it, it's contents is a file named Lanman.spv

What's that??? It's not an executable file

Thank You

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yanbergeron24Author Commented:
Hi

cmcgee, I would like to have a copy of your file

My Email: bergerony@csdhr.qc.ca

Thank You


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cmcgeeCommented:
I went ahead and sent you a copy of the bootdisk. Let me know if you have any question on how to set it up for your NIC/network environment.


Craig
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kufelCommented:
you can also get Novell's Client for DOS/Win3.1, it contains TCP/IP protocol as well. Avail at support.novell.com
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SunBowCommented:
Proper answer is, I think "NO" for that exe, but I've done stuff with 'net' before.
Run "Net /help"
I think it is somewhere with either 'net start' or 'net initialize' (or both) that will get you where you want to go (M$/lan).
Each option should have a sublevel of help text available.
If you can run older dos, M$ used to also have a program to use an I/O port to slave your other PCs drives, using driver in config.sys to remap. But you'd need the cable.
Look at M$'s net program, I think it has what you want.
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cazeCommented:
if you can get ahold of an NT Server 4.0 CD, it's got a program located in the clients directory that, when run, makes a boot disk to go onto a tcp/ip network
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paulqnaCommented:
Try the net command, its the one wich windows use to load you're network. (tcp or ipx)
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kufelCommented:
Also, NT server includes clients for all OS's. You can install it on DOS machine, make sure you hav a disk with NDIS drivers for DOS - should come with your network card. I would suspect that Microsoft has this on their web sit - support.microsoft.com
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SunBowCommented:
listening...
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yanbergeron24Author Commented:
I think that it is not possible to get what I want... TCPIP.COM or TCPIP.EXE like IPX.COM since there are too much parameters with TCPIP...

I have no choice... I have to use TCPIP.SYS... or continue with IPX...

But I have found that IPX is very slow!!!

So... that's it...

Thank you very much... all of you...

Yan
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SunBowCommented:
I think Net command is best.

If it HAS TO BE a method of TCP, I believe we used to run a decent version from OnNet. They were in the game before M$.  But that was very long ago, we mostly used it on Win3.1 machines and I assumed is an expense you'd rather not have. We did not keep it around much after going to Win95, going with the M$ stack.

I try to not lose the Windows pieces to OnNet, for they do a fair job of terminal emulation like telnet, and it is still a favorite to run ftp on windows.  I have it now on my non-standard 95 box.

Since the company goes back to olden days, maybe they have dos version for free if you do not require their support. A quick web search gives:

http://www2.ucsc.edu/cats/sc/software/onnet/index.shtml

with some other description from, I believe a user.  My memory is poor, but I think in the Win31 days we had to have the stack kick in prior to starting Windows, which had to mean we were using their DOS version of TCP (?). The product line ran under name of PCTCP if you care to follow up other searches. The link above also refers to companies FTP Software, a subsidiary of NetManage.

My answer above was to a question on how I'd network from dos today. When I had lost ipx to Win a couple yrs back, I remade dos boot and added files like your post to do rConsole and like my post to get at Win platforms. But if you are locked into specific protocol from specific vendor, then I took wrong approach.  If it is due to product 'Ghost', then they should provide the means.  They mailed me the CD but I never tried yet. I had done a test of a competitor, with ipx to kickoff, and tcp to xfer, and it worked out ok but needed disk storage I could not maintain for long. They were to go
tcp at boot and probably have, but you are not looking for alternate and I did not test that.  

From my 'saved' OnNet/pcTCP readme (8/28/95):

"8.0 Ordering Documentation

You can purchase supplemental books for OnNet
by calling 1-800-282-4387.  The following printed manuals
are available for separate purchase:

Using Networking Commands in DOS
      Describes how to use OnNet DOS commands
      to perform networking tasks in DOS.

Command Reference
      Describes the OnNet DOS commands, and
      the options for these commands for the
      full suite of OnNet DOS commands.

Configuration Parameters Reference
      Describes configuration entries
      in the PCTCP.INI configuration file."

The 800 number may no longer be valid after all this time, but I point out the Windowss' ReadMe mentions "How to Run DOS Commands" which may be the need you are addressing.

Sample old AutoExec:

set path=pctcp;%path%
set TZ=EST+5EDT
SET TEMP=C:\TEMP
SET COMSPEC=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM
PROMPT=$P$G
CALL CHKIT C:
REM C:\VPROTECT.PC\VSCAND /V /S=0
C:\DOS\DOSKEY
LAN
odipkt.com
SET PCTCP=pctcp.ini
vxdinit.exe

Reminds me that their product(s) Had requirements for set and path commands, and ini config.  I edited slightly to remove our server info, but it had had server accesses involved in the programs run. (trust me?) The line 'LAN' above was our set of programs like your list "My batch file is as follow" plus the login commands, so that the network is up before autoexec finished.

Following trail to
http://www.netmanage.com/evaluations/index.asp
The company is strong, there are the free trials, but I miss any reference to dos, altho connectivity to unix and terminal server should allow the dos boot to tcpip on-the-cheap.

There other larger communities doing things along the GNU lines that 'may' work for you.  That would also be cheap, but not necessarily blessed by the normal MicroSoft community, like the ones making Ghost.

Another source I have yet to tap near:

http://www.desktopengineer.com/junkdrawer/netboot/protosel.htm

Making boot disks to cross network for files - Boot Disk Protocol Selection - quote:
 
"TCP/IP
Additional Netboot disk space required over Netbeui: 63,488 bytes
Although it is generally the preferred protocol, in a DOS environmentTCP/IP is quite a bit larger than Netbeui and IPX both on the boot diskand in memory.  In addition, you should have an available DHCP serviceto have the most maintenance free boot disk.

Use TCP/IP when:

You must cross routers and TCP/IP is the only routed protocol in your environment.
Boot disk space is not a problem.
Available RAM is not a problem.
When DHCP will be available in the "pre-load" environment (optional)."
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SunBowCommented:
also, my thread appeared headed towards non-dos alternatives.  If you are not stuck with specific MS-Dos version, know that there are a large number of companies still supporting and developing MS DOS that might run boot options more suited to your needs.  I was not clear on your ability in your company to deviate from 'the standard'. Some can be found at:
http://www.bootdisk.com/
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cmcgeeCommented:
What kind of problems did you have with the Bootdisk I sent you.  If you tell me what Network card you are using, I could modify it to work for your environment.

I know the question is already closed, but I dont mind helping if I had more info....

Craig
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yanbergeron24Author Commented:
I had no problems with the boot disk you sent to me, but I work in a school board and we have plenty of computers and network cards in our schools.

So, when I want to ghost a "****ed Up" computer from a server image, I Load

lsl
My Network adapter driver.EXE
ipxodi
netbios
ghost


It is very simple and I wanted a file like TCPIP.EXE that would have replaced ipxodi

I do not wanted a file TCPIP.SYS that needs to bind an adapter Card (another NIC.SYS)...

I wanted only executable files.

So I would have only to modify my autoexec.bat for loading the correct Network Driver and modify a kind of NET.CFG for specifying gateway, computername, IP Adress... etc..)

This is what I wanted...

And I have found it is not possible...???
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cmcgeeCommented:
I understand what you are saying, I had to create a Boot Disk for each of the 30 Different Network Cards we have. We have 12,000 PC, that get ghosted about every 3 months.

For me,the complicated part was the initial boot disk. Once the initial boot disk was created , then I only had to copy 3 files over into the net directory for each NIC (Nic Driver.dos, Protocol.ini, System.ini).

I dont have to modify the Config.sys or Autoexec.bat this way.

I wish it was as easy to build these TCP/IP disk as it is the IPX, but oh well... I learned a lot in the process...


Have fun,
Craig
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SunBowCommented:
We used to do a similar generic boot disk to hit netware for running installs off lan. We tried to get 'standard' nic. Ended up making own queries thrgh autoexec (boot) link that would automagic pick which one(s) to run. That was ipx. the diskette filled up. But it also had some tsr/ram mgmt.  The links above indicate tcp is larger, but I'd like to think it would still accomodate a good boot diskette for a specific machine.

Did you give up or follow other links?
For Ghost and the like, to offer TCP, they'd also need that bootdisk, so, they could also be checked out for method/files. I think one was called RapidDeploy - a set of possible such products for rebuilding.
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yanbergeron24Author Commented:
I gave up...

I will use IPX...
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SunBowCommented:
Cruds, why do I feel bad. My coworkers wo ghost so much should offer up more clues.

http://internetwk.com/case/study0330-2.htm

"Prior to using Key Labs' product, Westminster College handled software deployments and updates one PC at a time. That approach didn't fare well, however--particularly given the fact that users are students who are notoriously rough on systems, requiring frequent fixes and updates.

What the school wanted was a method for installing standard software configurations that included both the operating system and the accompanying applications on multiple clients.

...."
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SunBowCommented:
http://www.campus.com/NIS/labexpert.html
http://www.altiris.com/labexpert/le_over.htm

"...Remote boot or reconfigure any PC in the classroom without walking down the hall. Choose IP or IPX multicasting for complete protocol independence. ..."
---
"Did you use the boot disk wizard to create your TCP/IP disks?"
---
"I used Boot Disk Wizard to create the initial TCP/IP disk, however I heavily modified it (replacing most of the NET directory) when it failed to initialize."
---
"TCP/IP Multicast is not currently supported on a Token-Ring network, and you will have to use IPX until we add support for Token-Ring to our multicast feature"
====

The copy-disk folk now on altaris have offerings similar to Ghost process, and refer to tcpip boot disk.  They 'may' do better job for you, but that was not my suggestion, unless you move on to market for ghost alternative. I don't know if their tcpip boot disk locks you into a canned turnkey to their product, which is good, but I did try to indicate that they may have the disk setup you are looking for. Maybe it has tcpip.exe for an autoexec.  So they'd be worth a check. So I thought. I cannot check now as I don't have the storage available, but I would like to hear of any yeah/nay on it, for potential future applications.
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yanbergeron24Author Commented:
It looks interesting...

Thank you for the clue

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SunBowCommented:
Sorry I was less vague before. I mean too vague? whatever. I knew they had moved URLs around, and had to work with a new set of bookmarks. I was less aware of spelling, my 1st guess of url w/RapidDeploy was a hit that was a miss of DNS.  I guess ya have to watch spelling better.

But I also did not know of your flexibility capability. Whichever way it goes, I wish you luck.
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