Front Page discussion and error 405

I'm having trouble rectifying a problem with FP discussion groups which refuse to post, giving an error 405 method not allowed.  
I do have the _vti_bin folder in the directory.  I've "checked" server ext. as MS suggests and it says it corrects executable problem with _vti_bin.  
My default web site does not have extensions installed but all other webs do.
I've tried creating discussion groups from scratch.  Didn't work.
hergle555Asked:
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jgoodierCommented:
make sure you have checked "allow scripts to run" on the web.
Jesse
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hergle555Author Commented:
permissions are set on IIS for Script.  Where can I find the check box to "allow scripts to run".
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jgoodierCommented:
open web in front page (file menu) http://dnsname
right click the folder(s) in quesiton
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hergle555Author Commented:
Yes, allow scripts to run is checked.
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jgoodierCommented:
is "allow programs to run" there or checked?
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jgoodierCommented:
can you go to the server and run iis admin and check the server extensions?
ignore the last comment.
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hergle555Author Commented:
I don't have server extensions installed on either Admin Web Site or Default Web Site.  
In the case of the Admin site, the "task" is greyed out, disallowing me to install Server Ext.  
In the case of Default, I run through the Config Extensions, and it gives error message at end of process "Unable to create a web at the URL "/" because Front Page information was unexpectadly encountered beneath the corresponding directory".
As I said, I am running about 30 webs below default.
I guess the question becomes, do the extensions have to be on default, to get the bots (and discussion) to run?
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jgoodierCommented:
sounds like a shotty installation.  you can redo everything by removing the extensions and then reinstalling.  you may have to delete all the _v* if you do this, you will have to recreate all the webs.
front page extensions need to be installed properly for the features to work properly.  are you installing to inetpub\wwwroot ? or just inetpub?
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hergle555Author Commented:
I'm installing to inetpub/wwwroot?  I had migrated the folders (using robocopy to keep NTSF info) from a machine running 98 ext.  I redid all of the webs by hand.  I did not attempt to config server extensions to the Default web until after I had created others.  The error message tells me to change the name of the "service.lck" file on a web underneath and try again. My suspicion is that if I do, it'll come back and tell me to do the same to another web. I'll try that though.

Is there a rule about installing extensions on default server first?  What is the function of the Default server anyways?
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jgoodierCommented:
the default website is what is installed on port 80 of your primary ip address.  You can go ahead and delete *.lck files, they are pointless unless someone is authoring currently.
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hergle555Author Commented:
It looks like to get the server extensions on the Default site, I will have uninstall extensions on all other webs.  Sure enough, after I removed the extensions from the web mentioned in the error message, it mentioned the next one down alphabetically.

The question remains, if I do get extensions installed on the default, will that allow me to use discussion group?
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hergle555Author Commented:
It looks like to get the server extensions on the Default site, I will have uninstall extensions on all other webs.  Sure enough, after I removed the extensions from the web mentioned in the error message, it mentioned the next one down alphabetically.

The question remains, if I do get extensions installed on the default, will that allow me to use discussion group?
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jgoodierCommented:
yes they will work.  it does sound like you need to do a complete reinstall.  you may have to delete all the _v* dirs before installing if they don't get removed in uninstall.
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hergle555Author Commented:
When you say complete reinstall, you are only talking about the extensions, not IIS.
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jgoodierCommented:
correct. add/remove components:frontpage extensions.
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hergle555Author Commented:
When you say complete reinstall, you are only talking about the extensions, not IIS.
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hergle555Author Commented:
Adjusted points to 125
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hergle555Author Commented:
sorry for reposting the above (and by the way, thanks for all your help).
after I install the extensions on the Default site, it will allow me to then go back to all the other webs and configure the extensions back into them as well.  
Again, I have the default web (which encompasses the whole wwwroot) and then I've gone and created new webs (Action>New>Web Site) and give each a distinct port number.  Each port covers a directory within wwwroot.  Does this sound like it will work in the end?
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jgoodierCommented:
yes, that will work, my question is why have different ports for different webs?  Generally webs are "subwebs" where http://www.company.com is the root web (default site) and http://www.company.com/isdepartment/ is a subweb with unique permisssions.  These webs are created in front page while you have the root web open in "open web".
does this make sense to you?
Jesse
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hergle555Author Commented:
I did this when I originally set up the server on another machine and retained that setup.  I essentially manage a College server and different departments and faculty have their own webs.  I thought ports were needed to help setup security and distinct manageable webs under IIS.  
Your suggestion is to create the default site as the main page and setup the other sites as sub-webs of it?  What is the benefit of this?  And what is the detriment to have the multiple port/webs setup the way I have now?
thanks
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jgoodierCommented:
the problem with having different ports is that you have to go to http://www.sba.oakland.edu:81/ to get to the page, less intuitive.  subwebs still have to be managed to achieve the proper security, but this is the recomended way.  I manage www.sba.oakland.edu and w3.sba.oakland.edu one is for facutly, the other for students. all webs are under the default site.  security is set in front page when you have the web open, go to tools security (which version of front page do you have?).
the nt server must have ntfs.
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hergle555Author Commented:
I'm on an NT server NTFS, IIS 4.0 and 2k extensions (just moved to them).  Most of my clients are 98 and a select few on 2k.  
The way I have ports setup, web visitors go to the normal directory http://xxx.xxx.xxx/folder but they have to name the port only through Front Page.  I pretty much manage permissions through Front Page but sometimes tweak them through IIS and NT.
Is this something you have seen before?
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jgoodierCommented:
yes, sounds pretty good, although I think you are making too much work for yourself.  This should work in general for front page extensions, I am surprised you had a problem to begin with.  I have another forum package that is free if you want to see it, post your email and I will send you a link.
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hergle555Author Commented:
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That's my off-business account for trolling and research.  I would very much like to see that package.  I'm trying to get wwwboard going on the side as well because I'd like to move away from the Bots but I'm pretty invested right now and had customized I nice little discussion forum in FP that is still useful.
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hergle555Author Commented:
I have found that you cannot run FP2k extensions on webs below the Default Web site.  From what I understand the model is, if your run the extensions on the Default, you can only run the extensions on sub-webs below it and it will not allow them to be installed on full webs running on their own ports.  I would like to know if there is a way around this, but for now, prefer to run web sites from distinct ports.  

I have learned alot in my exchange here and would like to give jgoodier credit for his participation.

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