Remote access over netbeui

I need a program like VNC, Remote Desktop, or PCAnywhere that will allow me to remote from a TCP/IP network into a netbeui network.  Does any such software exists, or can I configure one of the above programs to work?
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edskeeCommented:
No, netbeui is an unroutable protocol. It will work on a local lan but cannot be routed out.

Your best option is to set up TCP/IP on the remote network and route it. Kinda sucks, but thats just the way NetBEUI is... and even if it were not the case, and it were routable, TCP/IP cannot talk to netbeui, and vice versa.

Or try setting up a modem and dialing in, then using VNC/PCanywhere/etc, that'll get around the netbeui problem.
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edskeeCommented:
There may be a way to do it that I am not thinking of/considering, however. I do not know to what lenghts you are willing to go to get this done. (We're talking about setting up tcp/ip, setting up routing, etc...)

The most straightforward answer however is that it is not possible. (Given the info you gave us)
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jdn1640Author Commented:
I can remote into a server that has both TCP/IP and netbeui on it.  I need a program to remote to a pc on the netbeui network from the server.
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edskeeCommented:
Hmm... explain your network setup to me.

I'm gathering it's like this (correct me if incorrect)

Starting point on tcp/ip network
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remove server running tcp/ip and netbeui
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pc on the same network as remote server, running only netbeui

Is that correct? Or if not, what is it?

The server you can remote into, is it on the same network as the netbeui pc? If so, why not just install tcp/ip on the pc? that's the easiest option. Obviously you cannot for some reason otherwise you wouldnt be asking the question. :)
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RobWMartinCommented:
I'm commenting to stay updated, mainly.  If such a program exists, I'd like to know about it.  Frankly, I don't see it happening.  netbeui is considered a very loud, resource eating protocol.  Thus it doesn't get much attention from volunteer hackers.  They're usually more purist about such things.

Even if you had something like an NT server sitting on the netbeui network serving up WINS or some such, you would have to configure the client end (VNC viewer, etc.) to know it's talking netbios.  I just don't see it happening.  It would take some contorted combination of WINS, DNS, NATbios (i.e. Network Address Translation for netbios; I made it up), etc.  Even if it all fit together, you would have difficulty (if not impossibility) having anything on the netbeui side act as a server.

Sorry for being such a pessimist, but that's why I'm interested in keeping updated on this one.  If it exists, I'd like to know that my view of the netbeui world is wrong.

G'luck
Rob
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edskeeCommented:
No, you're not wrong. Netbeui sucks :) Hehe... seriously though... let us know what your setup is and we'll try and help, although I'm not very optimistic about it.
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jdn1640Author Commented:
The server is a part of the TCP/IP network and the netbeui network.  There are six computer on the netbeui network (not including the server).  An application on the six Win 95 computers requires netbeui (stupid, I know).  I did not want to install TCP/IP on the six because I was told by the application vendors that it would mess the application up.  I want to remote to the server, then remote into any of the six computers from the server.
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edskeeCommented:
Eeh... you can TRY, and I havent tested it, to see if you can set up both VNC viewer and server on your server machine, vnc server on the end PC, and vnc viewer on your 'host' pc... VNC into your server, then start up the vnc viewer on the server and try vncing into the end pc. (So, you are seeing a vnc screen inside a vnc screen)

I havent tried this... and I doubt VNC will run across netbeui. Worth a shot though.

What kind of software are you running that requires netbeui, and tcp/ip will screw it up? It sounds old, if anything.

Your best choice is to install TCP/IP on your end pc. I do not see how having a protocol installed could possibly screw up an applications performance. TCP/IP and netbeui do not even know each other exist.

Honestly, without installing TCP/IP I don't see how this is possible. Like RobWMartin said, netbeui is pretty much a hacky protocol, and a network hog. Not many people care to support it.
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RobWMartinCommented:
Seems like last time I tried running TCP/IP and NetBEUI together, it worked fine.  You just need to make sure the "Use netbios over TCP/IP" checkbox is clear. That's not the right wording, but it should be obvious if you go to Control Panel -> Network -> TCP/IP Properties -> NetBIOS.

This way you can use the remote software via TCP/IP, then the NetBEUI stuff that the app needs will take over from there.

What would it hurt to try this on one of your Win95 boxen

Rob
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jdn1640Author Commented:
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jdn1640Author Commented:
I will try adding TCP/IP to the netbeui computers.  Thanks.
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jdn1640Author Commented:
I will try adding TCP/IP to the netbeui computers.  Thanks.
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RobWMartinCommented:
Don't forget to let us know how it turns out.
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