iBook Netscape printing

weed you are awesome-your response led us to the solution. Ironically,though it was
deselecting the fit to page that solved the quirk,not selecting it. But i thank you and give you the high grade anyway.
jefhatfield

Ah well..whatever works..heh

weed-i too have a bfa in graphic design at school of visual arts in nyc-
though the bulk of my work was not on the computer. Time of course has changed allof that and i am begining to train as a MCSE-whew.Good Luck

Actually ive recently ditched the whole bfa thing. The school i was going to left alot to be desired. I could have tought the classes myself. Thought about going to the Art Center in Pasadena but it seems like a bit of a waste considering I can do it all now..heh. Why an MCSE? Awfully left brained for a visual arts person.

a very good question. ive been mostly a production artist and i must say that unless you are a fine artist, as in painting or sculpting the visual arts is a broad and immense term. i think that you are smart for leaving a curriculum that offered you no challenge. i guess tackling the computer is a challenge i want to master in some way-or their is something i need to conclude from technology-secretly and not in the covert sense i think art vs. technology or the meshing of art with technology is what i want to assimilate on some level. Perhaps i won't go as far as MCSE. I am not a pure arty type either. Thanks for your reply. I graduated college just when the computer revolution started(80's) You are so computer literate - im
sure any art/tech school would zoom you to the moon. I know of two-
Cogswell and Masters Institute-they integrate art and technology at its best
but dont waste your time if you dont have to -although i am not sure of what your goals are-short term focused education works better these days than traditional education. All the best !

heh I can't blame you for hating production design. I can't imagine how people bear it for more than a month. There are however lots of ways to recreate the feeling of fine art with a computer. I've taken to doing portraits in photoshop or illustrator just for the fun of it. It's a nice outlet without all the mess of real paint. Presents an interesting challenge too.

Speaking of art/tech programs, I dont suppose you know of any places that teach color management for prepress? I've been searching silicon valley for them and everyone looks at me like im on some nutty crusade for the holy grail.

i have been searching high and low for info on color separations on the computer as well. Prepress is what i am concerned about the most but i can't seem to get my hands on any real solid info. Weed it is very important to be knowledegable about prepress stuff because then you are able to have your job printed. UC Santa Cruz has some very good prepress issue classes. Classroom in a book for the Adobe apps probably cover these issues as well. If you hear of any good stuff let me know.
What ive been doing lately is scanning my drawings into photshop and then using filters - iv'e come up with some interestingly transformed pieces.
Believe me if you had a job as a computer artist and you asked about prepress issues they would not look at you as if you had a chaquita banana
sticker on your forehead!! Forge on.

I know most of the prepress stuff already. Did alot of related work up in San Fran. Its just the color management stuff that im missing at this point which is why im trying to avoid a full blown prepress class. Its the obscure things that nobody knows how to use that im searching for. Real color management and if possible realworld uses for apples FontSync. Fascinating technologies that seem to be underrated. If im able to dig up any info on places that teach it ill let you know!

yes its a double ball of wax and that shows you that i need info. i do know vaguely that color management requires special hardware periferals-im going on speculation here but if you are doing professional color output then it will be quite difficult to produce high resolution quality on limited home level computers.then there is post script software to worry about. i am sure you know this
weed. also check the apple web sites and if you are lucky you will find pages and pdf files on color management issues.as i mentioned about (ucsc(extentions university catalog) is worth looking through. they are freely distributed. the last time i checked they had very specific courses on color management etc. call and ask-maybe you can start your own class.thanks for chatting weed.  

Cool ill check out UCSC...thanks!

ps i just typed in "color mangement"
to search and realized one last point-color management is not a perfect science each color mangament system claims perfection as well as fontsync but the big problem is compatibility,can you imagine the bugs and conflicts even among compatible softwares and hardwares. Digital color mangaement is newer than computer itself.
Many printers still rely on offset, litho press etc. As artists in the milenium we will always be growing hopefully-but that is another subject
and the holy grail is an eternal search
peace! amen

Yeah compatibility is an issue but as long as youre working within an environment thats built for it its invaluable. As soon as you start switching platforms it all goes to hell. I think part of the reason that its not perfect is that so few people really know how to do it well..heh

yep.not everyone is concerned about the ins and outs of printing and trouble shooting it is a real transition for an industry thats been around since Gutenberg!

Oh even before that...Though i dont know how much the Chinese worried about color matching..;P

dont remind me -im getting depressed about being a computer artist again!!
The true beauty of color has been completely murdered by technology but it is impossible to be a purist in our times:-)

Ahhh but thats why we attempt to find color management classes...To begin to really appreciate how hard it is to get good color again..=).........and get paid large sums of money to do it..heh

and yes the great minds of mother invention will demand better and better
from technology. In the labs of computer scientists ,software and hardware
that is only possible in theory will not be viewed in our lifetime. Beautiful color will take on a whole new meaning. What will we base our perception of color on? Artificiality will be beautiful in its own way. The indians had only one word for the trees and greenery - it was " R " 

Real color the way it has been in the past is certainly possible now. The inks used on an offset are basically paint. Its the application of the paint that differs.

Surprising the indians didnt use "G" instead....rGb...get it..har har..heh...i need coffee.

har har have a good one