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My first attempt at installing W2K Server for some testing.  

Am I just missing something or what?  I want this to be a PDC but nowhere did it ask me if I wanted to be a PDC, BDC, or member server.  It just asked me if I wanted to be a part of a workgroup or a domain.  I checked domain and it wanted the name of a domain to join.  

Hmmm, where is this?
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After you setup Win2K server, a screen called "Configure Your Server" will appear when you login as an administrator.  Making it a domain controller, etc, is done here.  Note that win2K as a PDC will be using ACtive Directory and not the familiar old PDC of NT4.
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This freaked me out a little too when I was setting up my home network.
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Gosh it takes a long time for W2K Server to install.  It's been working on this install for almost 2 hours!!

Now that it's finally completed, I do see this option.  As soon as I get a domain configured, I'll accept your answer...
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I've found upgrades on Pentium Pro 200's and on Pentium III 450's each take about the same time - for me, about an hour.
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Yes, I'm probably pressing the hardware here. It's just a PII/266 with only 192MB of RAM.  I guess I need to throw this dinosaur out and get a new PIII/800MHz and 1024M of RAM.
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Thanks, that did it...
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FYI
Windows 2000 does not have pdc / bdc anymore, they work together as equals among all the other computers listed on the network! they all have by default transitive trust to each other, unless setup otherwises(Kerberos trust relation)

Any Win2k help, you can always contact me...Win2k Certified Professional
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>Win2k Certified Professional

Hmmm, how is this possible?  Microsoft has not released the W2K certification exams.  I've heard that they won't be ready before mid-year.  Oh I know, you're a "W2K Certified Professional BETA"

Not only that, but your comment:

>Windows 2000 does not have pdc / bdc anymore

is clearly wrong, since I succesfully set it up and joined my NT4.0 Workstation to the domain.  Pretty clever of me to do that with something thas doesn't exist...

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Somehow I sensed arrogance in what he posted, but, he's not really wrong - the following is excerpted(spelling?) from page 354 of "Microsoft Windows 2000 Server Administrator's Companion" by Charlie Russel and Sharon Crawford, published by Microsoft Press.

Unlike Microsoft Windows NT Server version 4 and earlier, Windows 2000 Server doesn't allow you to designate a system as a domain controller during the operating system installation.  Every Windows 2000 server installs as a stand-alone system or a member of a domain.  After the installation is complete, you can promote the server to domain controller status by using the Windows 2000 Active Directory Installation Wizard.  This tool provides a great deal of additional flexibility to Active Directory administrators because servers can be promoted or demoted at any time, while in Windows NT 4 servers are irrevocably designated as domain controllers during the installation process.

Also gone is the distinction between primary and backup domain controllers.   Windows 2000 domain controllers are all peers in a multiple-master replication system.  This means that administrators can modify the contents of the Active Directory tree on any server functioning as a domain controller, and the system will replicate the changes to all other domain controllers in the domain.  This is a major advance from the Windows NT 4 single-master replication system, in which an administrator can change only the primary domain controller (PDC), after which the changes are replicated to all the backup domain controllers (BDCs).

(This seems like an excellent book and well worth the investment - I'd highly recommend you purchase a copy...)
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I think he had the words correct but the concept wrong.

The function of a domain controller still exists, if nothing else but for backward compatibility with NT and Win9x clients.

As far as purchasing the book, server administration is not what I do.  I'm an application developer but needed to setup a W2K server to test an app that authenticates against a DC.  Since I'm sure that someone will eventually start using W2K servers, I just wanted to make sure that my apps would still work on a network using W2K as a server.



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Try again Charlie! You are running in mixed mode wich lets you run a program that is a pdc emulator....if you don't want my advice ,"no thanks" is easier than having A NEGATIVE RESPONSE(FLAME WAR)...I am certified by Microsoft and if you looked in my Bio/info page,you would see that non-disclosure does not allow me to tell you who i am, or who i work for,but i can tell you i work for the largest software manufacturer in the world! if you want to have a contest, Who knows more about win2k, set it up!
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Sorry for the last comment, but to have someone slam you on the product i support and run tech support for gets under my skin!
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No personal offense intended but my experience is that Microsoft tech support is among the worst in the industry.

If I worked for them, I'd hide behind non-disclosure as well.
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It really depends who you get - they save my butt just over two weeks ago, recovering a volume set that was "destroyed" after a Win2K reinstallation attempt.  I've got an MS tech working on my problem (http://www.experts-exchange.com/jsp/qShow.jsp?ta=win2k&qid=10301353 )
and if he were my only experience I might agree with you.
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As always, your mileage may vary.

I really wish they had a message like this when you call in:

"If you are a total moron and don't even know if your computer is turned on or not, press 1

If you know where your computer is and know what we mean when we say 'hit Enter', press 2

If you've already checked all the obvious stuff and need to talk to someone who can really help you, press 3"

The problem is that they start at #1 and treat everyone like a total moron and there is no way to bypass the crap and get to the real problem.

Of course this is one reason why Experts Exchange (and its imitators) do such a great job.
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There's a thought... if you're so good skipper, check out my problem...
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agreed.  That's been my problem with most support places.  They assume everyone calling is using the CD-ROM as a cup holder.
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>CD-ROM as a cup holder

Which, by the way, is a really good use for them.  Especially all the "Free 100 hours of AOL" ones.

They also make cool "mini"-Frisbees.  Just don't throw them at other people because they hurt like crazy!
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gentlemen -

just did a fresh install of win2k advanced server.  

tried to configure box as pds from 'configure your server' screen but failed!  box is only one on network, things look good - go through a couple stages of wizard selecting name, etc but then it kind of freaks out & like automaticaly runs another active directory wizard which fails!  

i'm really trying to set up active directory, which i belive will require box to be pds, then set up DNS, then wizard away..  

thanks

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