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1. My desktop doesn't show 24 bit icons even though Display Poperties, Effects, Show icons in all possible colors is checked. Why is this happening?

2. Before installing Office 2000 Premium, Windows 98 Explorer showed the number of objects in any given folder in the leftmost section of the status bar. Now that object count is no longer there and I've tried every possible combination of View, Folder Options that involve Active Desktop display or Classic display with the items under the view tab, all to know avail. In essence, I still get the Preview area with the blue in the top left (which I want too), but no object count in the status bar unless I switch to a classic desktop with no preview area. This worked before the install of Office 2000, so obviously IE 5 or Office screwed something up. Any thoughts as to what?

Answer the first to my satisfaction, get the points. Answer the second, get triple the points. These things have been annoying me for months now and Microsoft's site is of no help.
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by:sorgie
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I think the first thing you might try is to run SFC (system file checker) from the start run command. Have it check your drive for changed or deleted files. When it show you them check the date of change and the version number.
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Also have you checked your settings tab in your display properties. Is is set to 24bit color??
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by:davev
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It's actually set to 32 bit, but 16, 24 and 32 produce the same results, which are not full color icons.
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by:Eroka
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Hi,
1. How do you know you don't get the icons in "full color icons"? If you tell us why you don't think it's showing it so, we may be able to help.

2. I have installed Office 2000 premium and the oject count is still there.
What do you mean "Preview"? Do you mean "as Web Page"? If you tell me, I may be able to direct you in the registry. That's how I got the attributes to show again in Win98 SE (they had the option to show attributes removed from the Folder Options - View tab).
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by:davev
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I know they're not full color because they look no different than when Win 98 was originally installed and I've seen Win 98 systems where the icons are definitely different colors. If I could post a screen dump of the My Computer icon, you'd see immediately what I mean.

Yes, I meant as Web Page, where the files are not up against the splitter bar as in classic view but rather to the right of the blue top left corner and the large bolded folder name.

If it helps at all, this is not Win 98 SE, but rather the original release with all of the critical updates plus a couple others from Microsoft's Windows Update site. The object counts were still there even after all the updates were installed and disappeared only after Office 2000 Premium was installed, using a custom install.

Hope this helps.
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by:jjcontact
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I once had the icon problem you spoke of. I corrected it with Microangelo 98 engineer. It is available for trial at http://www.impactsoft.com/. I was wondering if Tweakiu repair icons would help. What I don't know is if you will still have the effect after Microangelo expires since I thought it a good enough program ( and useful at the time for a Christmas card I was making) that I got it.
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If you go to a root drive in My computer View Customize this folder and choose to remove customization, you get a warning window that says it is going to use desktop.ini and folder.htt will be sent to the recycle bin. I have looked at both of these files and can't figure out what to change, but I think the answer is there.
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by:davev
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I'm sure the solution is in those files, too, but I'm not sure what to change either, if anything. Microangelo didn't work as I thought it would, perhaps my shell icons are corrupted or a registry entry regarding them is....
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by:jjcontact
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I have never done this myself, but many experts will tell you to delete Shelliconcache (which will reconstruct on startup. Did you try Tweakiu? What happened with Microangelo engineer?
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by:Surojitseal
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Run REGEDIT.EXE to edit the system registry. Go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\desktop\windowmetrics. Add a new string value named 'Shell Icon BPP' (without the quotes). Dbl. click on it and enter 16. Now delete the file shelliconCache (in windows directory). Reboot and see. Note that the desktop icons must themselves be of at least 256 colors.
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by:davev
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Tried Microangelo, Tweakui, deleting ShellIconCache and the BPP registry entry was already there as 16. Nothing seemed to work as the icons are as they always were.
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I did find this at the knowledge base which makes me wonder even more about the folder.htt file. There are all kinds of entries in the registry and various .htt types of files in C:\Windows\System including recycle and destop.

To prevent files in the Program Files folder from being displayed incorrectly when you view the Program Files folder as a Web page on your Windows 98-based computer, copy the Webview.css file to the Program Files folder, and then modify the Folder.htt file located in the Program Files folder. To do so, use the following steps:


The Webview.css and Folder.htt files have the hidden attribute. Verify that you can view hidden files on your Windows 98-based computer. To do so, see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

ARTICLE-ID : Q141276
TITLE : How to View System and Hidden Files in Windows



Copy the Webview.css file to the Program Files folder. For information about how to copy a file, click Start, click Help, click the Index tab, type copying, and then double-click the "Copying files" topic.


Click Start, point to Programs, click Windows Explorer, and then double-click the Program Files folder.


On the View menu, click Customize This Folder, click Next, and then click Next.


Remove the %TEMPLATEDIR%\ entry from the following line:
<link rel=stylesheet href="%TEMPLATEDIR%\webview.css" title="Windows">
For example, after you make this change, the line should look like this:
<link rel=stylesheet href="webview.css" title="Windows">

click File, click Save, quit Notepad, click Finish, and then quit Windows Explorer.


At this point I guess, you can back up the folder.htt file and use SFC to extract a new one from a Internet Explorer 4.0 or you can try and edit the file with the information that is provided here:

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q181/6/89.ASP


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by:jjcontact
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Just found this at the knowledge base:

Rename the existing Folder.htt file located in the Windows and Windows\System folders to Folder.bak, and then copy the Folder.htt file located in the Windows\Web folder to the Windows and Windows\System folders.

Sounds like something not to hard to try and easily reversable should it not work.
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Getting closer

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/psdk/shellcc/shell/Shell_basics/Custom.htm

here is the location of the folder.htt file cab files of IE 4 and 5 (so you don't have to look it up)http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q246/0/73.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0
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This has been around for awhile with no real solution. I installed Win 98 SE on a clean hard drive and opened Explorer. The object count was there. I then clicked on another folder in the left pane and the count disappeared, never to be seen again! This was observed in a completely fresh install of Win 98 SE and I still think IE5.x is to blame for that because it also occurred when installing the original release of Win 98 with IE 4 and then upgrading IE to v5. For your effort, jjcontact, I'll give you the points even though the question wasn't really answered.
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You know I thought of you yesterday. I was reading about the IE4 to IE5 changes and wondering if we could extract a desktop.ini and folder.htt from an old installation and therefore have the components you wanted. But not knowing if you might crash.....
Thanks for the points. If you ever figure it out, or if I see anything, I think we can still post here so the other person can work on the new information.
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by:davev
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You're welcome. If anyone finds out anything, I'd still really like to know. In the meantime, I'm dual booting between 98 and 2000, using 2000 most of the time. Maybe the Microsoft split will encourage better software, but who really knows at this point....
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by:jjcontact
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No luck today finding the file, but take a look at this page.

http://www.borland.nl/devsupport/bde/bdeupdate.html


I wouldn't run it because it isn't approved, but it may be that an offical patch is what you need.
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by:jjcontact
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Sorry, wrong question.
I am not making any more progress on this one either, but I am still trying. Someone told me about a keyboard shortcut, but it didn't work on my machine.
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