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retrieving next identity values

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This is not a very practical question, but I thought would be a good theoretical exercise.

What I want to do is retrieve the next available identity value for a given table, BEFORE AN INSERT OCCURS.  I was trying to write a generic stored procedure that you could supply the table name and the rest would be taken care of.

This idea first came to me while I was trying to find a work around, for a bit of code already written.  I have taken a different approach to the problem as this is not practical in a multi-user environment, but I would like to know if it is actually possible...

Looking forward to hearing a correct answer.
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by:spiridonov
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The only way to do it is to insert value into the table, use @@IDENTITY variable to retrive inserted value, then delete inserted record and run DBCC CHECKINDENT to reset identity value to retrieved-1.
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by:Guy Hengel [angelIII / a3]
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If you do this:

select max(rowid) from LogFile
select autoval from syscolumns where id = object_id('LogFile') and name = 'rowid'
           
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24

(1 row(s) affected)

autoval                                
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0x18000000010000000100000082

(1 row(s) affected)

This leads to the conclusion that autoval contains the necessary information to find out the next value:
0x18 is the hex value for 24,
the following 00001 and 00001 correspond to the Seed and Interval settings. 82 indicates that it is an IDENTITY field.

Hope this helps

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by:barx
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I need to retrieve the value before the insert occurs.

Thanx anyway
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by:Guy Hengel [angelIII / a3]
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That is what my information gives the possibility too:
add 0x18 and 0x1 and this gives the result 0x19 (25)
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by:Guy Hengel [angelIII / a3]
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This solution will need "some" code to do the computations, but it should work
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by:barx
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angelIII, thanx for explaining the autoval field, I had actually looked at that before but I had no idea what it was representing.

The only problem I have with your answer is that it appeared to work the 1st time I tried it, but after I inserted a few more records the '0x18' part of it didn't change.  From what you were saying I thought that the beginning of of that hex field should change as I insert more records but it appears that it doesn't.

Am I missing something you have said in your response, or does this happen to you aswell
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by:barx
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angelIII, thanx for explaining the autoval field, I had actually looked at that before but I had no idea what it was representing.

The only problem I have with your answer is that it appeared to work the 1st time I tried it, but after I inserted a few more records the '0x18' part of it didn't change.  From what you were saying I thought that the beginning of of that hex field should change as I insert more records but it appears that it doesn't.

Am I missing something you have said in your response, or does this happen to you aswell
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by:crsankar
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I am not sure wether I understood your question correctly. Is it not possible for you to use a query like this to find out the next identity value?

select max(identitycol) + 1 from products

Here "1" should be substituted with the value of your identity increment

you can use the ident_incr function to find out the increment value.

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by:Guy Hengel [angelIII / a3]
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crsankar:
unfortunately, your idea will not work in the following situations:
everytime the "last" rows are deleted, their ID's are not released to the Identity Counter!

So adding 3 row, deleting them (even inside a transaction) will increase the identity value of 3!

The proposal of spirinodov (DBCC CheckIdent) will not work neither, because DBCC does not take care of transactions...


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by:barx
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Adjusted points from 50 to 100
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by:barx
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I checked back at the same example I was toying with the other day and the '0x18' part has changed now.....

It appears to change periodically which is quite strange indeed.  Maybe there is another field that tracks the amount of inserts.  

If anyone can solve this mystery I will increase the points to 100.
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kpkp earned 50 total points
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I think I found your answer, angelIII's soloution does work - If you run a DBCC CHECKIDENT before you check the AutoVal column.

I did this (a few times) and it all add up:

use pubs
select max(job_id) from jobs
select autoval from syscolumns where name = 'job_id'
insert into jobs values  ('test2',10,10)
dbcc checkident(jobs)
select autoval from syscolumns where name = 'job_id'
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by:barx
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Thank you angelIII and kpkp, I would like to split the points 50/50 between you guys, but I am not sure how to do it.

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by:Guy Hengel [angelIII / a3]
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Ask community support to split points, they will guide you
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Community Support has reduced points from 100 to 50
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Hello everyone,

Reducing points to one half to allow for split.

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Oops. Made a mistake on the title of the new question - the number should be 10350313

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by:Srinibhatla
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If while a user is adding a new record, with this autoVal, what if another user adds a new record to the DB?
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