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Networking a G4 to a PC school network
I know a little bit about networking. But not a whole lot. And I know almost nothing about Macs. But I need to figure out how to network a G4 to my school systems network, so it can access the internet. I'm pretty sure on the PCs, they are just set to let the server automaticaly assign them an IP adress and everything. And they seem to work just fine. But how do I do that on a mac?
So what I need is:
(1) Someone to tell give me a list of all the software I will need (preferably free software included with the mac, or upgradable components of the macintosh operating system. If need be, I can download things with the pc, and copy them onto the mac with a zip disk.).
(2) A list of all the settings, and things I will have to enable, and how to do that.
Whether or not it is even possible using only free stuff, I don't know. But anyone who can tell me all this will get 2,000 points :)
AHH!! I can only make it 300?!! NOOOOOOOOO!! I'll try setting it to 300, then making it higher
So what I need is:
(1) Someone to tell give me a list of all the software I will need (preferably free software included with the mac, or upgradable components of the macintosh operating system. If need be, I can download things with the pc, and copy them onto the mac with a zip disk.).
(2) A list of all the settings, and things I will have to enable, and how to do that.
Whether or not it is even possible using only free stuff, I don't know. But anyone who can tell me all this will get 2,000 points :)
AHH!! I can only make it 300?!! NOOOOOOOOO!! I'll try setting it to 300, then making it higher
Pretty easy. You dont have to install or download anything. Its all part of the default MacOS install. What youll need to do is open your TCP/IP control panel, set it to connect via ethernet, configure via dhcp and fill in the client ID if you know it. Thats all there is.
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Client ID? If I know it?
Is there anyway to access a PCs shared directories from a mac?
I've gotten the Mac to access the server, and have it assign it an IP address... but I can't get it to access the network. Any ideas?
Is there anyway to access a PCs shared directories from a mac?
I've gotten the Mac to access the server, and have it assign it an IP address... but I can't get it to access the network. Any ideas?
If you have got the Mac to get an IP from your DHCP server then it should be set for network use.
Can the Mac access the internet through Netscape or IE?
To get the Mac to access shares on a PC server you will need a bit more software as the mac will not do this on it's own. There are a couple of options but most of my experience is with DAVE from http://www.thursby.com/ or MacSOHO also from Thursby. MacSOHO might be your best choice.
Also if you cannot get onto the internet check that there is a name server set in your TCP/IP control pannel. You shold be able to get the address from a PC in the networking control pannel. To test this you could type in the IP address of a site on the internet insted of the name. This will not need resolving and therefore should get the site if the network is set up.
eg
http://www.apple.com
is
http://17.254.0.91
Hope this helps
Indego
Can the Mac access the internet through Netscape or IE?
To get the Mac to access shares on a PC server you will need a bit more software as the mac will not do this on it's own. There are a couple of options but most of my experience is with DAVE from http://www.thursby.com/ or MacSOHO also from Thursby. MacSOHO might be your best choice.
Also if you cannot get onto the internet check that there is a name server set in your TCP/IP control pannel. You shold be able to get the address from a PC in the networking control pannel. To test this you could type in the IP address of a site on the internet insted of the name. This will not need resolving and therefore should get the site if the network is set up.
eg
http://www.apple.com
is
http://17.254.0.91
Hope this helps
Indego
Whats the status? Pick an answer if youre all set.
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I still can't access the internet. I'm pretty sure what the problem is. You see... on the PCs, you have to log in to the domain: SCSU, with your specific username and password. But on the Mac, I'm not sure that there is an option to let you specify the username and password to log in with. I'm guessing that the Macs don't have that option, cause they're not built to log on to windows networks, and require some xternal software (Which I don't want to have to use, cause I don't want to put anything on the macs that isn't already there).
Any idea's on that?
Any idea's on that?
They must be using PPPoE or something. Mac OS X supports that from the ground up. 9.1 supports it but you need extra software to impliment it. The one most commonly distributed is EnterNet from http://www.nts.com/products/enternet_overvw.html ...You should probably find our from SCSU exactly what it is that theyre using just in case theyre not using PPPoE.
Have you configured the browser to connect to your ISP's server, you shouldn't need to log into the Domain to use the internet. Even a PC logged into a local account can still access the Internet through a correctly configured Browser, the Mac will do the same. Thats unless there are other security features in place? In IE 5 go to Tools, Internet Options click on the Connections Tab then the button Lan Settings, your information needs to be added here under Proxy settings. Netscape through the preferences in the Edit menu Proxy settings somewhere down the bottm of the preference List.
To Share files and folders you need software as described in the previously posted message ie Dave from Thursby.
To Share files and folders you need software as described in the previously posted message ie Dave from Thursby.
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It has nothing to do with proxies. I need to log in to a windows Nt domain with a username and password in order to access the internet through the school server.
Is there any possible way to do this without installing external software onto the Mac or the Pc? I don't have the option of adding anything to the Mac. It's not mine.
Is there any possible way to do this without installing external software onto the Mac or the Pc? I don't have the option of adding anything to the Mac. It's not mine.
You need extra software as described above. Thats the long and short of it.
ASKER
Alright, fine... Although that sucks, what program would be the best for my purposes, and how much does it cost? If there are multiple programs which do what I want, which is the cheapest. Whoever can answer that will get the points.
P.S. Thanks for all your guys' help. And sorry I've been so slow, and vague.
P.S. Thanks for all your guys' help. And sorry I've been so slow, and vague.
We've already covered that. Youll need EnterNet. The link is in my comments above.
ASKER
Well... that link doesn't work, and I can't find a product on their site called "EnterNet" anywhere...
In the time that this question was idle EnterNet was aparrently aquired by Efficient Systems. The link is now http://www.efficient.com/products/subscriber.html which i found by doing a simple google search for "EnterNet".
Try setting the TCP/IP Control Panel to:
Connect via: Ethernet built-in
Configure: Using DHCP Server
and closing the TCP/IP Control Browser, open up Netscape or Internet Explorer until it gives you an error, then re-open the TCP/IP Control Panel and report back the values you receive for:
IP Address:
Subnet Mask:
Router Address:
Name Server Address:
If you're concerned about revealing the actual IP address values, substitute XXX for the first set of values (like XXX.168.1.100). You might also try this on one of the Windows 95/98 PCs by selecting Start:Run and entering winipcfg and reporting the values you receive there for the installed ethernet adapter. Any information would be useful to get this question moving again. I would have expected that a proxy server was the problem as Petectid suggested, but if you're positively sure that no proxy is in use, we need to find out what is blocking your Internet access.
Connect via: Ethernet built-in
Configure: Using DHCP Server
and closing the TCP/IP Control Browser, open up Netscape or Internet Explorer until it gives you an error, then re-open the TCP/IP Control Panel and report back the values you receive for:
IP Address:
Subnet Mask:
Router Address:
Name Server Address:
If you're concerned about revealing the actual IP address values, substitute XXX for the first set of values (like XXX.168.1.100). You might also try this on one of the Windows 95/98 PCs by selecting Start:Run and entering winipcfg and reporting the values you receive there for the installed ethernet adapter. Any information would be useful to get this question moving again. I would have expected that a proxy server was the problem as Petectid suggested, but if you're positively sure that no proxy is in use, we need to find out what is blocking your Internet access.
If your School server is not acting as a proxy then what is it? You do not have to Logon to an NT Domain to use the Internet, if this is configured correctly then the Mac will connect to your ISP's DNS Server.
I am assuming you cannot look at the settings for another mac in your school, so go to a known working win 98 machine and check:
start> settings> contol panel> internet options> connections> lan settings
and look to make absolutely sure you don't need a proxy setting. I really bet that's what you need if you don't have it already. I as a network administrator for a school cannot even imagine a school without one!
start> settings> contol panel> internet options> connections> lan settings
and look to make absolutely sure you don't need a proxy setting. I really bet that's what you need if you don't have it already. I as a network administrator for a school cannot even imagine a school without one!
This was my point earlier seaoftwilight, I'm sure you are right?
ASKER
None of you were able to actually help me in any way. And school is out now, and I won't be in that class next year... So there's not a whole lot of point to continueing this thread. Thanks for trying, but it most definetely had nothing to do with a proxy server.
I get the feeling you didnt even bother trying EnterNet.
ASKER
I couldn't put any external software onto any of the macs without anyone noticing, so that wasn't an option I could try. Sorry :(
I'd bet that they'd notice their lack of internet connectivity before they'd notice extra software.
I did'nt realise we were giving advice to a pupil, does your school not have any IT support?
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I got out of school like 3 and half months ago... It's not especially usefull to me anymore.
But I still don't know who to give the points to. Any ideas?
But I still don't know who to give the points to. Any ideas?
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But anyone who answers it, I'll ask some other dumb little questions, and give you 300 points for each until I have given you 2,000. I promise :)