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8 Gig hard drive equals 528 MBharddrive in Bios

I have a Segate 8.4 GB harddrive.  
When I do IDE auto dectect it picks it up fine and sets it up as a 8.4 GB harddrive but as soon as I reboot it reverts the harddrive back to 528 MB.  

This is a pain because FDISK picks it up as 528 MB, Just as well I used Mandrake 7.2 to do my Partitioning.  I now have 3 Partitions two  of about 4 GB (one FAT32, one ext2) and one 10 MB ext2 partition.  I wish to be able to use FDISK to edit my partitions in the furture.  

My Setup is as follows Win ME and RedHat 7.1

Lucky-Star motherboard (I can not remember the model name but I can find out if you think that might help, also Lucky-Star still haven't replied to my email about them sending me the manual)

Award BIOS (not sure which version, but think it is the latest for my motherboard)

Primary Master 8.4 GB Seagate Hard Drive (the problem one)
Secondary Master 2.5 GB Quantum Hard Drive (no problems)
Secondary Slave CD Drive

Processor = Celeron 533
Ram = 192 MB

Hope Someone can help
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aswally
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kahleanCommented:
first of all did you set your hdd to lba mode and not normal mode. Also update to the latest bios version. Check out from your mobo site to obtain one. Also from the smos setup, define all hdd type to auto. let cmos  detect everytime it restart.

Another thing is to try to define the setting for your hdd manually from cmos. You will be able to find the size, the cyls, head and precomp landz, and sector settings from the hdd.
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Matt_HoubenCommented:
which version FDISK do you use? You must have the one that asks for large disk support.
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ridCommented:
Re: above comment. If you wish to use FAT 32, yes. Otherwise not true.
Regards
/RID
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rayt333Commented:
<When I do IDE auto dectect it picks it up fine and sets it up as a 8.4 GB harddrive but as soon as I  reboot it reverts the harddrive back to 528 MB. >
Where does it now say the HD is 528MB?

You aren't going to like my suggestion but first thing you need to do is remove ALL partitions using FDISK, then reboot and see what the CMOS setup (BIOS) see the HD as, if as 8.4GB then reboot and boot to a bootdisk and run FDISK again to partition the HD as you want it. Then reboot and format it.

I didn't go into very detailed instructions above but if there is something you need explained better just ask.
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aswallyAuthor Commented:
Thanks everybody

It is set to LBA mode, setting it manually doesn't help

>>When I do IDE auto dectect it picks it up fine and sets it up as a 8.4 GB harddrive but as soon as
I  reboot it reverts the harddrive back to 528 MB. >
>Where does it now say the HD is 528MB?
In the CMOS setup and at the screen at boot up

I am using the FDISK that comes with WINME
the partitions are FAT32 and Large disk supprorted is enabled

I can't use FDISK to repartition because it uses the BIOS' size setting not the Pyshical Harddrive size

Hope this will help you help me

Aswally
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ridCommented:
When you do the autodetect, does the screen give you the suggested drive parameters for the 8,4G size? If so, try entering them manually instead of using autodetect. If no parameters are shown, it may be that the drive is detected as an 8,4G drive, but some of the parameters are beyond the limits of the BIOS version you have. Possibly...
Regards
/RID
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aswallyAuthor Commented:
Thanks RID but I have tried that already.

the bios likes reverting it back to the 528 MB

Aswally
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ridCommented:
I see now that this was already suggested by kahlean. Sorry for that. If you had yet another HD, larger than 5XX Mb, it would be interesting to know if this one would create the same problem on the primary IDE channel... Is the setup new? Can you do other changes to CMOS setup and they stick?
Regards
/RID
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Matt_HoubenCommented:
I suspect it is a BIOS problem, not FDISK. I think BIOS does not have the INT13 extensions needed for HDD bigger than 8 GB. Because of this, it looses track completely and reverts to CHS addressing, which allows a max of 504 MB (real MB, which is 504 * 2^20 = 528482304 bytes). How old is this motherboard, and what type is it. Check if there is a BIOS upgrade.
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aswallyAuthor Commented:
Thank You again

I have a 2.5 gig hard drive in the computer and it was connected as the primary master and it worked fine.  

The motherboard is a slot 1 motherboard and has the LX chipset.  

Everything else in the CMOS is fine and holds when I reboot.  

Thanks again

Aswally
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Matt_HoubenCommented:
The fact that the 2.5 GB HDD works is another hint that BIOS has problems with HDDs bigger than 8 GB. I checked the homepage of Lucky-Star and there are several motherboards with the i440LX chipset, you can find it on:

http://www.lucky-star.com.tw/technical/bios/intel.htm

Now we just have to figure out which motherboard you have. One option is to open the PC and look on the MB itself. Another option is to start the PC, write down the BIOS string in the left bottom of the screen (halt your PC by pressing the Pause button) and check it at

http://www.wimsbios.com.

I guess it it will be the 6ALX2(DIP), but that is just a guess!
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Bart van der WeeCommented:
aswally: Matt Houben is correct you will ned either a bios update or use Seagates Ontrack Disk Manager to overcome this problem. In 90% of cases a BIOS update does the trick - hope this work for you.

Bart.
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aswallyAuthor Commented:
Thanks Matt the motherboard is a 6ALX2 jumperless, you were very close.  I will get back to you on my progress

Aswally
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BigFitzCommented:
Matt is right the BIOS simply isn't capable of seeing a drive that big--if a BIOS update not available then an inexpensive ATA interface card (such as Promise Technologies') will allow you to overcome the BIOS HDD size limit.
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aswallyAuthor Commented:
Thanks guys, but I should be buying a new motherboard in the near future and mabye a new CPU and this will solve all my problems, but in the mean time I am looking for a free fix.  

I tried the seagate software but it dosen't like living along side LILO and it didn't fix any thing

Aswally
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Matt_HoubenCommented:
Isn't it possible to upgrade your BIOS or do you already have the latest version?

I suspect the seagate software works with MS Windows only.
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Bart van der WeeCommented:
A BIOS upgrade is 'free' - isn't it?
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BigFitzCommented:
An AMD Athlon 1GHz, system board, heatsink/fan and RAM can be had as a package deal DOZENS of places over the web these days for $300 or less, but then the older hard drives are gonna be too slow--if the system board can't have its BIOS updated any more, then the most economical solution is still a $30 (or less) ATA (IDE) controller card to bypass the BIOS' hard drive size limit.---Fitz
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aswallyAuthor Commented:
I have the lastest BIOS upgrage installed

And my harddrive is ultra ATA so I am looking out to buy some new gear.  

I am in Australia so everything is slightly more expensive and I also have to remember that the aussie dollar is at about 50 something US cents.  

I would love an Athlon but I don't have that kinda cash and I don't think my power supply would hack the Athlon boards.  

RAM is dirt cheap here so that is not a problem we are talking about $99 AUS for a 256 MB DIMM

Thank you all but I don't think there is a solution to this question that I can accept
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aswallyAuthor Commented:
There has been an interesting development with my computer Yesterday I put my friends 20 GB HD into my computer to copy some stuff and It worked fine the BIOS picked it up and it was recoginised as it's correct size.  

So I think it is by hard drive or a BIOS maknind which only affects the primary master I must test this idea  

Aswally
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kahleanCommented:
so does your hdd works fine on your friends  pc as well

Regards

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Bart van der WeeCommented:
it is possible there are jumpers on your HDD limiting it to 2gig.
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aswallyAuthor Commented:
It is now working fine.  I took out the hard drive and entered the Cylinders, Heads and Sectors in manualy and set it to CHS addressing and it worked just fine.  

I think there is a problem somewhere with the Hard Drive sending the info to the BIOS.  

And as nobody suggested that the way I did it I don't know who should get the points and if anyone should get the points.  

And all this work will be a waste as I am buying a 30 GB harddrive ASAP.  

Thank You All

Aswally
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Matt_HoubenCommented:
LOL, computers technology never stops to amaze me...
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rayt333Commented:
You should give the points to kahlean, in her first comment she suggested:
 "Another thing is to try to define the setting for your hdd manually from cmos. You will be able to find  the size, the cyls, head and precomp landz, and sector settings from the hdd."
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aswallyAuthor Commented:
Thanks
You headed me in the right direction, and your suggestion was the closest to my final soultion

Aswally

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kahleanCommented:
why a C here.....i have given the suggestion that have solve you problem
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ComTechCommented:
Hi aswally, I am sure yo are not aware of the grading system here on EE.  A comment that leads you to an answer constitutes a Good Answer.  

This will not affect your points, I am giont to change the grade.  Most Expertw would rather have no grade or points if given a C.

Thanks and regards,
ComTech
Community Support Moderator
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Bart van der WeeCommented:
good call mod. =)
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ComTechCommented:
Hi vanderwee, thanks.  I too was/am an expert, I'd say no to a C than get the points.

CT
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