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   I have a problem with my co-worker's Dell Inspirion laptop. I have had nothing but good experiences with this computer until a recent accident. A glass of water was spilled over the keyboard while the computer was on. After waiting a couple days to let the computer dry out, I tried to turn the computer on to check out the damage. The computer refused to boot correctly (no surprise), and I believe gave me a POST error beep. When the computer is turned on, it sems to begin to power on (ie: fans turn on etc...) and after couple seconds, a soft (about .5 sec) beep can be heard. The monitor never turns on, and after
the beep, the computer restarts, and the sequence is repeated again, and again, until the battery is disconnected. I do not believe that the drives in the computer (DVD, hard drive) were damaged in the water spill, and think that they are fine. What could be the problem with the laptop? Is it a POST beep? I know the motherboard may be fried due to the water, but if nothing else is wrong with the computer, is it worth it to repair? This is a fairly new laptop and would hate to see it go to the trash bin. Any additional information would be appreciated. Thanks a lot.

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First of all, the water was spilled when the computer was on.  Even if you're very quick, it likely shorted something right there.  I'll bet that the thing needs a new mainboard.

The problem is that water even though you wait a few days that doesn't mean that all the water has evaportated unless you put the computer in something to heat it and leave it rather warm with a good breeze going by.  Like in the oven on the lowest bake setting with the door propped open and a fan blowing by.  Not that I recommend this...  you'll melt the thing if not done very carefully.  It should have been taken apart and let dry while open.

Whether it is worth repairing depends on the repair bill, doesn't it?

You can always call Dell and see if they can fix it.  If you're a certain sort, you can always claim that it just stopped and you have no idea why, would they please warranty it?

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You probably will need to contact Dell for service...I don't know their coverage policy for accidents such as this, but I know that here at work people spill drinks in their systems occasionally, and the hardware support team is able to get replacement system boards from Dell (I believe they're replaced under warranty?).  To feel them out, call their support line and tell them the symptoms its having, see what they say.  The system board is replaceable, its hard to say how many of the other components will need to be replaced also though (i.e. PCMCIA slot/controller, modem card, CPU, etc).

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Thanks, so the motherboard is probably fried.. Anyone know if the beep in the beginning is a POST beep? I should probably just call Dell than and compare repair price to new comp price?
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You didn't say what happened when the water was spilled?
Did the computer shut down on you? did you quickly shut it down and remove the battery and power cord?

In a case like this it could have fried everything, or it may just shorted one device, no way to know until it is torn apart and checked out. Most repair shops will charge a fee just to dismantle and test then give estimate on repair costs.
If it is still under warranty then that is your best bet.  remember the less information you give them will benefit you.

By any chance does your insurance cover this?       (electrical storm)
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Yes, the beep at powerup is during the initialization of the POST.  Just a single beep and then reboot is a symptom of major malady.

The poor wee beastie is screamin' in pain...  get her some TLC, fer the love o' the gods!  
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I dont think there's much to add, really. Probably water reached the MB and associated connectors. During the drying-up period current from main battery crept along paths provided by moisture and caused corrosion, eventually leading to a copper trace or a solder joint being eaten through. Even if main battery was removed, there is still the CMOS battery to consider. Some laptops even have a small backup battery for the suspend function and to allow hot swapping of main battery. Current from these sources may be enough to cause damage. If you're lucky, the problem may instead be a case of isolation breakdown caused by moisture and residual salts from the water. A thorough professional cleaning of MB etc may help in this case. Another possibility is a damaged or upset CMOS circuits. A CMOS reset might help. Depending on the warranty/insurance situation I think I would either ask for an repair cost estimate or take the thing apart and try drying/cleaning/reseating etc. If I could get it open...
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Lots of computer mythology being given here...

Was it just plain water?  If so, it's not very conductive and it is very VERY unlikely that anything is "fried", shorted, or otherwise damaged by electrical conduction.

The most sensitive part is the keyboard itself and water gets trapped in the key sensors and essentially presses all or many of the keys at once.  It can take many days for the keyboard to dry out and even then there may be some residue that prevents normal operation.

My advise at this point is to remove the battery and place the unit in a dry well ventilated place to continued drying.

If the spill was something other than water, like cola, then you may have a serious problem.  Cola and other carbonated drinks are quite corrosive to electronic connections and your laptop is probably seriously damaged.
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Being a 'glass of water' it's likely city tap water...  all kinds of goodies added that may or may not help it conduct.  If it was a bottle of water (distilled, purified, etc) then I'd be more inclined to bet that it could be dried and used.
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rayt--When the water was spilled, the computer was quickly shut off, but the battery was not removed (unfortunately)

jhance--Yes, it was only plain water that was spilled on the laptop, although, if only the keyboard was affected wouldn't I be able to get through POST and only recieve a keyboard stuck error?

Thanks again for your help, I'll be calling DELL today.
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mgarity--ugh, it was tap water that was spilled, not bottled water..
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Still, even tap water is a poor conductor.  It's VERY unlikely that any connection was made that fried any components.  The voltages inside a laptop (i.e. < 12V) can't push enough current through a poor conductor to fry things.  The problem is with high-impedance circuits like your keyboard and other components that continue to be affected by moisture.  I'm still of the opinion that more drying will solve this.   There are many nooks and crannies inside a laptop and many places where water will cling and not evaporate for a while.  Like I said, a concerted drying effort with dry circulated air will probably get this cleared up.  If you were to disassemble the case (which I DON'T recommend you do) I'm 100% positive that you'd still find water inside.  Virtually none (if any) of the electronic parts inside the unit are able to be damaged by water.  The items that are most likely to be damaged are those with mechanical assemblies like your floppy drive and CDROM.  Hard drives are pretty resistant since the mechanicals are sealed inside. They are not hermetically sealed but the filter would keep a spill out.
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jhance--Thanks, so you think that I should continue trying to dry the laptop? How long do you think it would take before all the water would have evaporated? As of now, the computer will not even boot to the point the screen turns on...
    So you're saying that if I wait until the water evaporates, I should at least be able to get to the system bios?
    Do you think that I have already damaged the laptop by turning it on before? (ie: trying it a day after the water was spilled)

again, Thx to all for the help
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soltrain, can you set up a hairdryer to blow at the thing on 'low' all day?  Or even just a regular fan?  This is summer, so your building's heating probably isn't on which leaves out a vent...

Hey, put it in a closet with a dehumidifier!  That'll do the trick.  Super-dry the air and any water will evaporate even if the air temperature isn't all that high.
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<Still, even tap water is a poor conductor>
Define a good conductor then, it may not be the "best" conductor around but my friend it is still a good conductor, if you doubt it then stand in water and touch anything electrical (such as an electric fence) then stand on dry ground and try this.

If the computer had power to it (which it did) when the water was spilled then more then likely something got fried, there are many small parts that if hit by a voltage surge, or short that can be fried, with this in turn maybe frying another componet.

Anyway the lesson I was taught early in life is the "water and electricity do not mix well and should be kept away from each other"
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Gentlemen, if you want to argue a point, take it out of the questioners thread please.

jhance, the cabbie comment, or that entire comment for that matter, was unnecessary and unprofessional. Let's not repeat it in the future.

FYI, it isn't the voltage, its the amperage!

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Soltrain (if you're still there after the little bickering fight):
So in conclusion:
o Trying to dry the laptop out more couldn't hurt.
o The system may be seriously damaged, or its not.
o You will most likely need to call Dell to get service done...DO NOT open the system up yourself, that will void the warranty for sure (and those things are a real PITA to put back together again...imagine, ~50 tiny screws, most of them just different enough that they won't fit back in correctly if you get them out of order/position).

-d

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In my training as an Electronics Technologist, we were taught that you can dry a computer, be it laptop, tower, etc., with a blowdryer and static-free alcohol and it should be just fine.  Your best bet would have been to let it drain upsidedown for several days first because by turning it on before it was thoroughly dried can definitely cause serious damage to all major parts.  Oh, and yes water is a very good conductor of electricity.  I know this from experience as a lineperson for the phone co.
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E=I*R   Voltage (potenial difference) = Amperage (current) multiplied by Resistance.

Just so you know that some of us actually went to school for this stuff.
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there is no reason for the thread to get out of control, a little common sense can go a long way. In the field of electronic's any water applied to an electronic circuit that is live is bad and it doesn't matter what type of water only that some could do more damage then other. The first question here should have been from the questioner that I have this problem and can I light it back off. knowing that this didn't happen and that power has been applied then most likely the damage has been done and as advised above call Dell if it is under warranty and play dumb and just tell them what it is doing. This could be that you just shut it down and when you turned it on the next day this is what you heard just the beep. Let them diagnose the problem and go from there. Too try and do anything else is foolish IMHO. unless you have disassembled a laptop before do not even think about taking it apart. All of the major components too include the processor etc. are under the keyboard and they do not have much protection from water.
It is not necessary for a debate to take place here, as anyone that has any electronic background knows some damage has been done and to intelligently recover from this means the unit has too be disassembled at this stage from what information that has been provided. Sorry for the bad news but it was rediculous too see a debate get started over an issue that is pretty straight forward now that the damage has been done. Enjoy and wish I had better news for you! Dave
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I concur Ray! I think it is how one conducts themselves at the site is what matters. As I indicated, when I first started I would vent real easy and met great friends that helped me become aware of how quickly I reacted and sat back and analyzed myself and feel that now I can trust those here to let me know when I get up tight so I know I am burnt. It is a highly stressful field when you work it all day and do participate here to help others to try and calm down a little. Enjoy! :>) Dave
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Mr. Hance, normally I would ignore your snide remarks, but frankly I find it irresistible. First, I learned Ohms Law in 8th grade, therefore I find no reason to display such nonsense here as it bears no relevance to the issues at hand. By the way, E=I*R can also be stated as E=P./.I or V=W ./. A. You may be able to buffalo some people, but please don't try an buffalo me.
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Soltrain
We haven't forgotten about you or your problem.
You haven't said if this was still under warranty ?
If so then go that route first ........................

If not then don't dismantle it yourself to try to clean it out, you can cause more damage that way. Laptops are much harder to work on then desktops and easier to break something. I would send it back to let Dell work on it, it may seem more expensive but in the long run it will be cheaper. Try to get an estimate first to determine if it would be better to buy a new one or repair the old one. Something to keep in mind iif you repair it, something else may fail the next day (or next week), if the repair cost is more then 50% of new one then I would go the new route.
Dell may have refurbished laptops  you can trade that one in on. (worth a shot)

Have you checked your insurance yet to see if "storm" damage is covered?
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woah.
    First of all, please, no flaming/personal attacks, didn't want anyone to get tooo upset over this (heh, if anyone should be getting upset-it should be me, laptops are mad expensive)
    Thank you all for your help. Even though I've turned the laptop on a couple of times, I'll use a hair dryer and try to dry it out some more.
    Augh, too late to feign dumbness-I already told dell that I spilled water on it and they happily told me that its not covered under warrenty and will cost me around $1000+ to fix.
    I think, for around that range, I should be able to afford a new laptop with the same capabilities (it was only a PIII 500)
    Again, thanks to all for your help.
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Hi Soltrain.
On a first glance this thread might not have helped you much, but I think the explanation of the failure is somewhere in the above comments. Problem is that the conductivity of water is not really the problem here. Of course, if it were an insulator you could fill your laptop case with it and no ill effects. It's not an insulator because even "clean" water has some ions swimming around, hence some conductivity. When current, however small, passes through a water pathway, the ions will very probably attack the metal surfaces on the "electrodes" (any parts with a voltage applied to them) to some extent, and after a while the "pure" water isn't so pure anymore. Different types of ions will slowly add to the conductivity and in the end severe corrosion may appear. It doesnt need to be line voltage, it is quite enough with a few volts. It is not a case of frying, like destroying by heat, rather a chemical gnawing at the parts involved.
The short term problem is not the corrosion, but the fact that the signal paths inside the computer get disturbed, not shorted, but disturbed by even a small leakage current. Like the small current that could pass through a drop of ordinary water....  As mentioned earlier the keyboard is a very sensitive component that doesnt take too kindly to leakage currents, nor, it can be imagined, will water (=leakage current) enhance the functions in the tightly packed address lines from the processor etc.
I realize this isn't very helpful, but I still say: Try drying it up, dismantled or not, if you will not get any help from your warranty.
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Does the tree lights flash at any time during the post.
If so there is a table here that could show what the problem is:
http://support.euro.dell.com/docs/systems/pcpxhj/en/ug_a02/error.htm
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>>The most sensitive part is the keyboard itself and water gets trapped in the key sensors and essentially presses all or many of the keys at once

Many of the new keyboards are not mechanical, but electrical, like capacitors... as you press the cap change...
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3 months ago I had an old laptop that just grinned at me when it was turned on, no beeps, no on-screen POST messages, no "disk not found".
I couldn't hear the hard-disk winding up, so I ended up opening the case and giving the hard-disk a flick. This seemed to loosen something and next time it booted.
I had to do it again recently.

If you've given up on the warranty, there's nothing to stop you opening the case.
Give the harddrive a hard flick.

Unscientific, but nothing to lose. It might also be good stress-relief  :)

Other than that drying it and tonnybrandt's link are the most helpful ideas on this thread.

Mike.
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I had this problem with my PC - the pc does not boot with broken keyboard - so a chance it is ok, I'd take to shop & explain, unless you can send back under warranty.

Water does conduct electricity, it is a poor conductor compared to copper, gold etc, but very good compared to 'air' or circuit board insulation.  

Even distilled water conducts due to the polarity of the water molecule.  Tap water contains ionized salts which serve to conduct electricity to a still higher degree.
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thanks a lot for the flash codes, I'll take a look at the laptop. Also, I'll rough up the hard drive a bit ^_^
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I fear to enter this thread.  Please don't hurt me.

I'd bet that the laptop is useful only for parts, but since you have nothing to lose, I'd try drying it out.  

As part of the drying, put a screwdriver under the keys on the keyboard and gently pry up until the key pops off.  Under it you'll probably find a rubber nipple.  Under that nipple, which you can just lift out, I'll bet you find water.  Dry it with a paper towel, and leave the nipple off for a while to let it really dry.  Now repeat about 67 times for all the other keys.  It's tedious, but that nipple makes a good seal, and once water gets under there, it won't evaporate for a *long* time.

Not that I would expect a wet keyboard to cause the problem you're seeing....

I've only taken apart one Dell laptop, but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as I thought it would be.  Maybe 6 tiny screws (I didn't have a screwdriver small enough, but the point of a Swiss Army knife worked fine).  I'd definitely take it apart to get it really dry.



I can't resist.  I must jump into the debate over the potential damage from water.  

If Dell voids your warranty when you spill water on a laptop, then I have no doubt that water spilled on a laptop often causes severe, permanent damage.
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From: DanR
                     I can't resist.  I must jump into the debate over the potential damage from water.  

                     If Dell voids your warranty when you spill water on a laptop, then I have no doubt that water spilled
                     on a laptop often causes severe, permanent damage.


That's the point I was trying to make.  :-)
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Dan, someone mentioned the corrosion above, I didn't notice before I posted. Sometimes it takes a few months before the tracks die.

The chances of taking a laptop keyboard apart to get to the membranes so you can clean the printed silver conducting coat and repaint the damaged bits and clean the deposits and then reassemble is practically zilch. But the motherboard is more sturdy and 3rd party repairers can fix them for half the price of a new one.

Whatboy, although he normally speaks gobbledygook, is correct that they work by change in capacitance and inductance rather than resistance. Rip your big keyboard apart and look at all the loops and dead ends on the printed circuit tracks to see where they tuned the impedance.

Dell's $1000 is for replacing the motherboard as well as the keyboard, why not gamble $150 on getting a dealer to replace the keyboard and if it's the m/b that's duff sell the rest to them as spares.

Warranty never covers water in kbd or physically broken screen, just like if you drive your new car into a tree.
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I already made that point too although it wasn't as clearly put as you DanR.  :-)
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I have to agree with Andy on this point.  <notifs off>
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Do not try and pry up the keys with a screwdriver!  The Dell laptop do not install the keys like a regular keyboard and all you will do is break the keys off. You will need a magnifier and a couple of little screwdrivers and a lot of patience to remove the keys and reinstall them and you will not accomplish much by doing this. If you intend to disassemble then remember a laptop should be treated like a clockmaker would and make sure you use patience and put things down in a place as you take it apart so you can put it back together. Its easy too take something apart, the key is putting it back together so you don't have any spare parts and how gentle you can be with plastic. I would almost say 95% chance that the keyboard is not the problem. Dave
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BIOS:                                  (curious lounge link bias)
BEEP:
These codes are meant to give status report about ability (or more often not) to get to other I/O devices like KB & monitor that enable improved troubleshooting (ex: visible message) later in boot process. I recommend if you want  to continue to provide support (to friend?) to understand beep codes. A separate thread for a few points should suffice, if not made clear above.

If friend, do right thing, call Dell. They may want to help, warranty or not, if only for entertainment value. Many good stories, but  never are names used to embarass the one with accident.

If into salvage, consider not much water would have really poured in, surely not an entire glassful. But drying out will take extended time, as well as the completed disconnection from all power sources. Moisture will likely cause damage later as well, so best bet is start anew.

Ask: is it really worth the effort (if alternatives available).
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No hairdryer for me please. At least not up close. They get more heat than dry power, and will warp. Good plastic melter if into making of models.

Too bad it was rebooted too much. Check your beep codes and call Dell. Big price wars now, they are after market share, so it is good time to also check their interest in supporting customers no matter what. It'd be nice to hear about results, if any.

Bet more water got on shoes than into PC. Still, once you get a problem, it is hard to shake. Try for the replacement pronto, let it dry out as long as you can stand it.  If you are really trying to support a friend, some kid, who "oops" on dad's computer - ok, don't give up, go back imagine for real just how much water could have gotten inside (or how little), and look above. Later you can both smile "at least it wasn't coke". Whatever else there is to say about all that, you should see that you may yet find support.
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Good advise MobileOakAI! At least it has good logic! :>)
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Sorry SunBow! You also had great advise! IMHO. :>) Dave
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emery8000 and SunBow bring up good points.  I hadn't encountered keys that don't pop off.  So SunBow's idea of calling Dell is a good one.  I have had them give me hours of support on a laptop whose warranty had expired a year earlier.  They might be willing to walk you through disassembling it, or at least warn you about gotchas.
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<ugh, forgot to say>
Ditto on the HD, but not yet. Let dryout last long time.  But I too had coworkers, who with some models of laptops, ever had to give it that right slap to get HD spin needed. So they said. Some claimed (thru experience) knowledge of proper corner of the PC to bang against a desk.

I personally would not advise, preferring things to work proper when on button pressed. But if all else fails, I have to say I must support such comments as 'slap it a few', for what respect remains for those I know who still do just that.
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The battery on these laptops are on the left side and you have too remove one screw and then slide the plastic down and then the harddrive will come out. A plastic piece on the bottom slides out to allow removal of the ram, you could try checking this and reseating it. The processor is in the upper right hand corner under the keyboard and if you have never taken one apart do not recommend you try it. They are like a watch and the plastic breaks very easy. A call to customer\tech support is really the best bet! :>)
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Dave/Dan, do know, that I know what you mean. (sh)

By now (thread length, TOD - Guinness anyone?) we have perhaps haste that could be needless or missing previous point. I am likely one among     who glossed over a comment here/there, or would post rather than wait for yet another response on current progress.

I (should be known to) oft provide more opinion than the 'proper' steps 1-10 to some official resolution (assuming that knowledge is more widely available and tried).  I did attempt to phrase as_if I had 1st comment, no knowledge of others, so's I could duck out quick (thirsty).

I make no claim to being 1st in this thread on any point I made, and I think Soltrain may currently be proceeding as I may recommend, or at least is nicely among the questioners who actually participate in the discussions they begin, so may have more feedback forthcoming, worth waiting for.

But I'd be remiss if not acknowledging the prior similar contributions above. Just let me say, I acknowledge, (without naming each), and I assume Soltrain is also aware. My comment should also indicate points in agreement, concur/ditto, with similar ones above.


Soltrain,         (if still stuck here too)

> "I know the motherboard may be fried due to the water, but if nothing else is wrong with the computer, is it worth it to repair?"

Maybe not! I forget what model what, but if not under warranty, then it is old as in old!  That means you (and coworker) can likely get a better deal buying new, than trying to payola big repair. The price wars, now that I think on_it, are continuing and expected to continue at least til Sep.

So more is available for less, each week. I read today, Dell on phone even giving extra $50 off of latest daily advertisement.  

So consider - by Christmas, what kind of a PC would be desirable for coworker. Then look - maybe it is available now. Maybe the upgrade would have been purchased anyway, and this one would've been tossed in a closet in another month or so (oh, I hope it isn't the boss' pc..).

But in any case, customer support is extremely valuable commodity. So I do highly recommend calling Dell as one of the top priorities, for this is also a simple case of finding out what companies you (we, your coworker, friends) want to make our deferred future purchases from.

If they (Dell) fail, try them again (different human). If they continue to fail, here is another idea - go surf. Some companies, maybe in your town, have begun "trade in your PC" programs (maybe you need not complete the repair job yourself). Gateway is also chomping at the bit for market share.
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Just a note about rubbing alchol, you can clean the rigid PCB of the motherboard with it but DO NOT get it on the the flexible PCBs/membranes (clear plastic with silver tracks on) because the silver conducting paint is alchol based so you end up with the silver paint on your cloth rather than where it used to be :(

SunBow> but if not under warranty, then it is old as in old.

Not the case, brand new would still void warranty if you pour water in it.
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Hello all, I have removed comments that were un-related as this thead became long, and the true question became lost in the ongoing non-question remarks, slams, and other non-related issues, so we can focus our energy to the questioner.

Soltrain, sorry for the disruption.  This is very unlike the Experts to get off the subject.  Seems it just takes one and they're off.  Please accept my most sincere appologies, and continue with the question.

Thank you,
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BOTTOM LINE(S)  Depending on WHICH model Inspiron it is, it may HAVE to be serviced by Dell and only Dell and they already know about the water.  If water went in while PC on, SOMETHING IS COOKED or at least damaged.  Let it dry out for about a MONTH (not kidding) try it again; and then either buy a new one or call Dell, those are about your only choices.  Dell doesn't authorize independent service providers for individuals other than Dell themselves (unless you're a "user" with over 400 employees.)  Buy a Compaq next time.---Fitz
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Thank you all for your help again...

   I have read and appreciate all your ideas on the subject--I am still letting the laptop dry, I think I'll wait some more before trying to open it up.
   In the meantime, I've found a great price on a new laptop and will look into buying it for the company. If the laptop comes back from the dead, I'll definately repost.
  Thanks for all your help!
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Good luck! Dave
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Hello everyone,

This question has been open for quite awhile. I am going to allow feedback from the questioner and experts. If it is not resolved, I will delete or accept an answer based on the info I have been given. Experts, feel free to offer input. I will monitor this question for a period of 5-7 days and come back and evaluate.  

I reserve the right to disallow any comments that may not have a direct conclusion

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Question Author, please return and resolve this question.
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I got a good answer notif on this Q nearly a month ago, I think the selected comment might have been subsequently deleted since I didn't get points and glory for it.

I think I should get the points for this Q, not because I am right but because I don't participate in this topic area (excepting when whatboy tells us in the lounge that there's a throwing-toys-out-of-the-pram session going on) and so if I got the points it would not upset the top 15 positions.

Some final advice Soltrain,

Come back to EE and ask more questions, most threads don't go the way of this one, normally there is co-operative help from the many experts here and a quick solution, sorry you saw such bad behaviour from us in your thread.

Find a dextrous friend with a similar laptop and get him to swap his keyboard with yours without breaking the ZIF sockets, if it works ask him to get his machine upgraded with a US->UK keyboard so you get the spare at reasonable price.

Put the laptop in the microwavwe to dry it out quicker or buy an underwater laptop; twice the price and half the speed of a normal one but you can play doom in the bath.

Still can't help you on which answer to chose and don't think it's fair you are expected to make this choice since all the advice is well intended and most of it is good even when counter-arguments, the modders or the experts should decide or they could give us all 100 points each just for the entertainment value.
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If you do microwave it, please videotape it and see if you can upload the video to the lounge.  I'm sure many of us would like to see the results.
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From: Soltrain  Date: 06/25/2001 10:19PM PST  
Thank you all for your help again...

  I have read and appreciate all your ideas on the subject--I am still letting the laptop dry, I think
I'll wait some more before trying to open it up.
  In the meantime, I've found a great price on a new laptop and will look into buying it for the company.
If the laptop comes back from the dead, I'll definately repost.
 Thanks for all your help!  
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There was no definitive answer in this massive thread.  Good ideas, inventiveness, and even argueing over Ohms Law which any one who made it to the 8th grade should know.  I have my own opinions, but I shall keep them to myself.

Looking at Soltrain's last comment, there was still no answer other than him/her buying a new laptop, and waiting on the older one to see what happens.

This Question will move to PAQ and points returned, on this there will be no arguement!

Thanks all,
ComTech
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Argue :P~ <G>
Bev-ment
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That sound like we can debate it but its non-negotiable! hehehe
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