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Games that don't use 3DGlide

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Games using 3dGlide cannot access my graphics card.  It's all there but they can't find it.  I've tried everything - updates for the graphics card (Matrox G400, single head)
updated the Via chipset, etc.  Now I've given up.  I blame it on Directx8 because my other system went bad the same way right after I installed Directx8.

Point is that I've given up and now would just like a list of good one on one shooters like Diablo One or Heretic.  

Diablo II, and Quake don't work.

Can someone give me a list of one on one shooters that *don't* use 3dGlide?
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Try posting a Q in the Hardware TA - we might be able to help you fix the problem, rather than working around it.
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Why don't you try to uninstall your 3DFX drivers ? Then Glide should be no more Problem because it is not found in your system anymore, or uninstall DX8 again.
Get DirectX-Buster here
http://www.directxbuster.de/cgi-bin/dl2.pl?dxb20b3e.exe
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Got DirectX-Buster and installed it.

It seems to work pretty well since Age of Empires detected that I didn't have DirectX adn installed DirectX6.

Had to pull one file off my other system (dsound.dll) but then the older games worked fine.

However, Diablo II produces

"Error 22:  A critical error occured initializing Direct Draw"

I'm testing suggestions on my older system which has a
Power Colour 32MB PCI video card.

ot sure if this is the same problem as my new system.  All I know is that neither one can run Diablo II

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Try to get DX7 and install it. On Diablo II CD there should be a copy I think.
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What I really want is a list of first person shooters that do not require 3dGlide and higher permutation of Direct Draw.
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Still a bit off-topic, but have you tried all the tests in DxDiag?
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"Haveyou tried all the tests in DxDiag?"

Yep.  They all work.

Believe me I've tried everything.
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Well, I guess all Shooters that came out before the DX version will not need it (so a shooter that was out before DX7 will surely only need DX6, and with that DirectDraw 6(or lower). With glide, I don't think there have been that many specialised shooters that would only run with glide and not with DX.
for a history of DX you can try on MS homepage(don't know but should be there)
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Well, every game that supports 3dfxGlide also supports other APIs.

Quake has the support for both 3dfxGlide and Standard OpenGL.

Diablo II has the support for 3dfxGlide, Direct3D and DirectDraw.

If you have a non-3dfx video card, you should choose the other APIs availlable.


So, what you should do to fix the problem:
1. if your OS has been installed for a long time, maybe it is all messed up and you should reinstall Windows.
2. Get the latest drivers for your graphic card according to your OS (choose the WHQL drivers, not the beta)
3. Install DirectX8a
4. Get latest patches for every games

If it doesnt work after that.. then you might have an AMD processor. ;-)

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Done all that.

Yes, I do have an AMD Athlon 800 Mhz - 256K system.

Why would that cause a problem?
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lol, there's your problem ;-)

Seriously, I have two friends that have AMD processors and they have a lot of problems with games, just like you. I've tried everything with their systems. I'm not kidding, I?m a student in computer science and I worked for matrox graphics, and AMD is crap!! Sure it looks good in magazines, but you get all sorts of intermittent problems.. and trust me, intermittent is a lot like interminable!

So, if your computer is still on warranty, return it before it's too late! And get a pentiumIII processor with an Asus motherboard, and then your system will be a rock-ass gaming machine.
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How about GLSetup?
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@benhere, I also have AMD (only had 1 intel, 486) and from then only AMD, I never had any problems!!!
Go and buy an PIII, pay lots more and get less speed.


By the way, I just reread your original question... you say you have a Matrox card and want to use 3DFX ??? thats not possible, no wonder games that use Glide can't access your graphics card. Glide is only supported by Voodoo cards and Matrox never supported Glide, they always had their own 3D chips.
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Now i am running a Athlon 500 @700MHz, I downloaded some benchmarks and the result is my Athlon500@700 is faster than a PIII700@777 (Math test)
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What is GLSetup and how do I access it?
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Ok ok, I was seeing this one coming..

netchess is having problems with games using an AMD processor in conjunction with a Matrox card and he tried everything to fix his problem. I was a tester for Matrox graphics, my job was to test 3D games with different systems. And we had a LOT more bugs with AMD machines.

Here are some facts:
1. When a bug is found on an Intel machine, there are 100% chances that this bug also reproduces on an AMD machine.
2. When a bug is found on an AMD machine, there are about only 60% chances that this bug may also reproduce on an Intel machine.

Believe me, there are so much AMD-specific bugs, it is a real pain for testers and engineers. When we were testing AMD machines, we were continuously entering new bugs in the database. And it is inconceivable that a company would spend more time supporting a minority. It is always like that and you cannot blame them. If they do not have the time or the resources to develop both, they will focus on the most popular.

So, you can be sure that there are still a lot of AMD-specific bugs in your Matrox drivers (that's why I recommended to use the WHQL drivers instead of the beta. With WHQL drivers, AMDs are more tested). And I guess this does not only apply to drivers. Games, Software and Hardware companies all go through the same process and AMD are always less tested. The probability of having problems is always higher when using "less popular" materials.

So, if you want an hardcore gaming machine, Intel with Asus is the choice. AMD processors are good for.. other things.. (??) ;-)

One more thing, I'm sure you already know this, but it is totally incoherent to compare different families of processors just by their clock speed. The performance of a CPU is computed from three parameters:
Performance = # instructions executed * cycles per instructions * (1 / clock speed)


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I'm sure that if you switch board and cpus, your problems will be gone (or maybe switching video cards, but my friend who had an AMD Athlon with a matrox card switched to a GeForce2 MX and is still have problems with games like diabloII)

Anyway, to answer your questions, here's a list of FPS games:
Deus EX
Half-Life
Half-Life Opposing Force
Half-Life Blue Shift
Gunman
No one lives for ever
Turok
Turok 2
Quake 2
Quake III
Quake III Team Arena
Unreal
Unreal Tournament
Soldier of Fortune
Serious Sam

All of these games support either Direct3D or OpenGl, and some of them also support 3dfxGlide. Like I said before, every games that support 3dfxGlide also support other APIs, which you should choose since you have a non-3dfx card.
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and here's a couple more, just to flood your email account ;-)

Thief: The Dark Project
Thief II: The Metal Age
Kingpin: Life of Crime
Daikatana
Shogo
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The question was what games can I get which do not involve 3d

I can play

Age of Empires
Diablo I
Heretic
Nox
Thief
Baldur's Gate
Myst

I cannot play
Quake (Makes a ventian blind of white and black lines and hanges my system)
Diablo II
Alice
Clive Baker's The Undying
Serious Sam


I need a list of games I can play and such games would seem to involve 3d and higher levels of Direct Draw.
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oh, you mean games not using 3D acceleration at all!? I thought you meant not using 3dfxGlide..

well, you'll have to go back in time..

Old FPS using software rendering:
Wolfenstein 3D
Doom
DoomII
Rise Of the Triad
Sin
Duke Nukem 3D


but man.. do you realize that you have an Athlon 800mhz machine with a Matrox G400.. and you're stuck playing 10 years old games..  I only have an Intel 450mhz with the same matrox and I play top-3d games like there is no tomorrow..
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GLSetup is a program that detects your card, and then goes and gets you the best (usually balance between performance and stability) driver from the internet and installs it.

Comes with some 3D games (maybe Thief?), and available on the net at http://www.glsetup.com/

I think the general version is pretty big (like about 50meg), but I believe there are also specific versions for each video card family that are quite small.  Certainly worth a look, as it can save you trying a dozen different drivers to find one that works.
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Here ya go!

http://www.glsetup.com/where.htm

scroll down to "GLSetup for the Web"
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@benhere, ok, I don't want to start a big discussion, if you have these experiences ok, I just wanted to tell that i never had problems and it seems that my amd is running faster (not by clock speed but by testing how long it took to do some certain calculations. I think this says enough about instrucions executed and cycles per instruction)
but i think you have some experiences with amd and matrox so ok, maybe it is that there are some problems with amd.
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I am reading all the answers but I still have the problem.
Give me a day or two to sort out the different suggestions and I'll get back to you kind folks.
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I'm getting a good result in one instance

1. Intstalled the WHQL driver for my Matrox G400
2.  Used DXBuster and took of DirectX 8 - which is where my problem started.
3.  Installed Directx7 off the Diablo II disc.

Result:  I can now play Quake which previously hung my system

BUT

Diablo II tells me

"This computer cannot run Diablo II
Video test did not detect any useable video modes"

Install Direct x 7 from the Diablo II install CD (Did that already)
Install current video drivers matching the version of DirectX you have installed (Did that already)"

The video test worked for Diablo II worked for everything except 3D Glide which my Matrox card doesn't do.

Bottom Line:
There is improvment but I still can't run Diablo II.

I don't think there's anything more I can do.
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Diablo II was notorious for causing graphics problems.  Perhaps there's a patch on the website?
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http://www.blizzard.com/support/index2.asp?Game=Diablo2&Action=Category
try here, maybe this is a problem already answered.
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Thank you.  I wrote to them and said the following:

Diablo II tells me


Error message is:
"This computer cannot run Diablo II
Video test did not detect any useable video modes"

Install Direct x 7 from the Diablo II install CD (Did that already. )

Install current video drivers matching the version of DirectX you have installed (Did that already.  Installed WHQL driver for my Matrox G400)"

The video test worked for Diablo II worked for everything except 3D Glide which my Matrox card doesn't do.

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