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20010811 MSBACKUP can't access CD-R or CD-RW

Windows 98 uses Seagate software for MSBACKUP.

When I try to get at MSBACKUP --> TOOLS --> MEDIA
there are no options available.

How do I get the system to recognize the drive for backup?  It works fine to read the original media that came with the system.

The computer is HP Pavilion 6648C.  I can't tell what
drivers are involved, because there is no CDROM controller listed in the Control Panel/System/Device Manager.  Apparently it is running under one of the IDE controllers.  I tried using one of the listed CDROM controllers, but that had no effect, so I backed it out.

Anyway, my gut feel is that the problem is something other than the Device Manager.

I can't get at the CD-RW disks to format over the old stuff, but I can read the old stuff that I recorded last year.

BTW: XCOPY and XXCOPY will write directories and root level files, but neither utility will write files for any of the sub-directories.  (If you haven't heard, XXCOPY is a FREE utility that offers a CLONE feature -- which doesn't work on my system.)

Any words of wisdom?
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GUEENCommented:
Is your cd-rom drive on the second IDE? - if not try placing it there.
Also go to add/remove programs - windows setup tab and uncheck it - reboot - then go back to windows setup and add it again.  I am not on a W98 machine right now - so I can't check this right now.
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slink9Commented:
To my knowledge, MSBackup won't backup to a CD.  I use Backup Exec but have tried various others without being satisfied.
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dew_associatesCommented:
pleasenospam,

Try this URL and then expand the menu for Windows 95/98 Basics and select Microsoft Basics.


http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/

Microsoft (Seagate Backup Lite) Backup does not support writing to a CD, nor will it restore from a CD, although you can copy a QIC file to a CD and restore from the QIC file with a little work. The only problem though is that every file restored from that QIC will be in read-only format only. This means you'll have to go through every file restored and change the attributes.

Dennis
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pleasenospamAuthor Commented:
Dennis,

You have been the most help so far.  However, last year I used MSBACKUP to format the CD-RW disks and write QIC files there.  So, I am somewhat confused as to why the system won't let me do a reformat to wipe the disks clean.

Do you know if there is any other utility that can be used for a format?  Also, have you looked into the XXCOPY free utility and its CLONE option?  XXCOPY has hundreds of switch settings available.

John (pleasenospam)
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SysExpertCommented:
OK, now I understand.

If you use your CD-write program, you should be able to erase/ reformat the CD-RW,
this appears as a drive letter and allows you to write to the media from NT backup !!

I hope this helps !
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dew_associatesCommented:
Hi John,

If your CD write software emulates one of the support media types, then MS Backup can use it. However if you've changed software or equipment and the emulation is not "identical" you won't be able to. Beyond that, as for formatting the CD, the CD must be a CD-RW disk.

So, if you've changed the CD write software and/or the burner hardware; and the disk is a CD-R type media, you won't be able to do this.

Dennis
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GUEENCommented:
You probably used a packet writer (UDF)that treated your cd-rw as a big floppy which is why msbackup may have worked in the past- (such as direct CD)
I think if you have direct cd running to begin with and browse to where you want the file to go on the cd-rw - that will probably work.
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pleasenospamAuthor Commented:
Now that I look through my program files, I must have used the Adaptec software last year, at least for the format.  I think that it will allow me to reformat.

Does anybody have any experience with Adaptec software?  I did a dummy run a few minutes ago to get the directories indexed, but with nothing in the output drive.  That step told me that the limit was one disk, and that I would have to delete some directories/files before proceeding

Yes, I did start with CD-R but later realized my error and bought CD-RW.

BTW: The DEW ASSOCIATES site is fantastic!  When Dennis finishes setting it up, I assume he will charge membership fees for access.
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dew_associatesCommented:
Which Adaptec software packages are you using and which versions?
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pleasenospamAuthor Commented:
Dennis...

Under DIRECT CD there are 3 programs, all 2.5d (296):

DIRECTCD, CDERASER, SCANDISC

Under CD WRITER PLUS there are 2 programs, both 3.5c (263):

CDCOPIER, CREATR32

John (PleaseNoSpam)
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dew_associatesCommented:
Okay, then you've applied all of the patches then from Adaptec (Roxio) ?

BTW, there are no plans to make the part of the web site you saw a subscription site.
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pleasenospamAuthor Commented:
The update for Direct CD won't run under the version 3.5c for the Easy Creator.  Amazon is out of stock for version 4, which seems to be obsoleted by version 5.  There is no free update from 3.5 to 4.  So that leaves me stuck at version 2.5d for Direct CD.  Darned if I know why they tie the two different software programs together like that, because they appear to operate independently.

Anyway, I am reluctant to spend any money for fancy new versions that might not give me what I need.

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dew_associatesCommented:
Here's some pretty good articles though. I'm not sure of all of the features that you might be looking for.

http://australianit.news.com.au/common/storyPage/0,3811,2042205%255E1295,00.html

Here's the update schedule for EZCD

http://www.roxio.com/en/support/ecdc/ecdcupdates.jhtml

But if doing backups is your biggest concern, then you might want to consider drive image from PowerQuest. You can image the entire drive and then burn the image for restoration purposes, directly to a CD.
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pleasenospamAuthor Commented:
The prices here seem to be too low to be true.

However, I note that they are OEM prices.  Most
likely they won't sell to me for that price.
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dew_associatesCommented:
They sure will John!
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pleasenospamAuthor Commented:
Thanks to all who responded.  All of the info helped.
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GUEENCommented:
Hey Dew_boy good call <ILTSOOY>
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dew_associatesCommented:
Glad I could help John!

Shekerra, you're a rascal <wink>
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