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Hi,
   Tryed entering this question before and it didn't seem to appear so if it shows up twice my apologies in advance.

   Trying to do an OEM W2K install on a seagate 6400GB hd on a 1.4/a7m266 based Athlon. The hd was originally on a pentium II and had Win98 on the 1st of three 2GB partitions (C:) and used an ontrack disc manager driver. Set the Athlons BIOS to boot off my CD drive (HD on the pri IDE conn. on the motherboard via 80 pin udma cable, CD on sec. IDE conn.) and started the W2K install.
   W2K setup recognized the 3 partitions and I installed to the 1st "c:" partition. Upon W2K rebooting I set the BIOS to boot off the HD. When the machine rebooted I got an error message saying there was a disc error and that was that.
    Thought the ontrack software might be causeing problems so I removed that and tryed another install. Deleted the 3 partitions and created one 6GB (the whole disc) new partition as the "C:" drive. Again I set the BIOS to boot off the HD and got the same error message.
    Tryed a third install to a 2GB partition and got "ntldr is missing" error message.
    Possible reasons for my problem:

    The Seagate HD is an ATA-3 compatible with PIO/UDMA 2,
but I wonder if it can really use the 80-pin IDE cable, which its connected to now.
     When W2K setup asks to install RAID software via F6, I've ignored this as my setup doesn't use anything like that. But perhaps theres some kind of ATA-100 driver I should be loading at that point?
     
      I'd appreciate any ideas or comments.
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Hi Thunder,

I suspect the disk is having a problem with the 80 wire cable, but usually that's a sign of a very eary drive. That too is possible given that it came out of a PII. ATA100 is not supported in Windows 2000, although via SP2, ATA66 is.

I would put a 40 wire cable in it, Fdisk the drive, use one partition and then format it. Then run the install, but this time, boot to a Win98 boot disk with CD Rom support instead of booting to the CD.

Dennis
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Don't bother with ATA66 or 100 as the drive doesn't support it. Give then drop in drive prices, you may want to look at an ATA100 drive for the future.

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Dennis,
       Replaced the 80-pin ata/100 cable with a standard 40-pin ide cable, but no luck, still get "disc error" afer boot. Next, I booted off a Win98 floppy with the CD set up as the "D:" drive, and strangely I was able to access the CD drive with the W2K install disc in it, but only as the "C:" drive.
       Note that on A7M266 motherboard there are two IDE connectors, a primary and a secondary, the primary supposedly being capable of ata/100. I have at the moment the HD connected to the primary IDE connector via 40-pin cable, and the CD drive connected to the secondary IDE connector via 40-pin IDE cable. BIOS confirms that the HD is "master" on the primary, and the CD is "master" on the secondary, but is it possible theres some kind of mixup?
        I may try the CD set up as a "slave" on the Primary IDE conn., with the HD as "master" and see what happens. Read somewhere your not supposed to do this as the CD is much slower than the HD and will slow it down.
       
   
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Is the Bios recognizing the HD parameters correctly with an 80 wire cable?

Putting the CD-Rom drive on as a slave for the moment won't matter until this is sorted out, but in the long run, the HD is an ATA33, so ATA66 or 100 doesn't matter and the CD-Rom drive won't have much effect. If you upgrade to an ATA66 or 100 drive, then it will matter.
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BIOS didn't recognize the HD parameters on either the 80-pin or 40-pin cable setups, I had to select manual/user input of the parameters. For instance, the BIOS originally said the HD had 777 cylinders when it really has 13228 cylinders.
   I have an identical model HD on the Pentium II I'm typing on now and it gives me 3 different HD parameter options to choose from (only one happens to be correct).
On the Pentium, the HDs on the Pri. IDE and CD on the Sec. IDE conn. and no probs, but thats win98.
 
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Unfortunately Win2K is allot more fussy about parameters in general than 98, especially motherboard issues. Without sitting at the configuration myself, I've got to believe that since that drive is probably before Smart technology v.3.02, th Bios isn't seeing it correctly and isn't passing the parameters to Win2k correctly even though you're manually setting them.
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Just for the heck of it I tryed the auto-detect parameters for the HD and got the same 'disc error' results. What I don't get is that if W2K is not recognizing the HD (parameters manually set), then why does it allow me to add or delete partitions from setup? (as well as it's formatting of that partition). Why would it have recognized the original win98 partitions?
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Initially the setup is performed in DOS-like mode, not in Win2k itself. Windows 98 builds 2 fat tables, unlike Win2K, but Win2k can read FAT32 and therefore obtain the info. It isn't until after the install begins and switches to Win2k does it fail.
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Read MSs hardware compatibility list, seagate supported under win98 and nt4.0 but not W2K. End of story. Points to dew associates. Thanks Dennis.
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Sorry I couldn't do more Thunder!
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