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I need a Windows 98 Second Edition boot disk with my specific CD-ROM driver

I took my old home computer and formated the hard drive so I could start afresh and upgrade from Win95 to Win98SE, but after I did so I soon found out that the boot disk I created from my other pc didn't have the driver I needed for my CD-ROM (the driver being: 58x_9x.exe from Matsushita-Kotobuki Electronics Industries Ltd - I found this out after searching using the CD-ROM drive's FCCID which is IUO9TB034CRB) therefore I can't instal 98SE from the CD. I have downloaded the driver using my other pc but I can't install it through DOS, also I heard that "This driver must be referenced in either the Config.sys or Autoexec.bat files on the bootable diskette." Please help me track down a boot disk with what I need or explain what I need to do (remembering that I'm a relative novice). I need help and fast!
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rayt333Commented:
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reghakrCommented:
You didn't say whether you had Win95 installed. If you do, hit the F2 or Del key on startup to access the BIOS. Then choose the BOOT screen and change the First Boot Device to the ATAPI CD-ROM, second device to Hard Drive. Save changes and exit. It should now give you a choice to boot from the Win98 CD.

I don't know about the driver you downloaded but you should be able to use the generic CD-ROM driver (oakcdrom.sys) If it's not on your hard drive, it's contained within the base5.cab file in Windows 98.

Copy oakcdrom.sys to the bootdisk and make sure this entry exists in the config.sys file:

[CD]
device=oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001

Or you can go to http://www.bootdisk.com

reghakr
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reghakrCommented:
Sorry Ray, I was thinking and testing my answer. (took me a while)

reghakr
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sanjay1983Author Commented:
i completly formatted my harddrive (so no win95, only DOS), and the Oakcd-rom driver doesn't work with my CD-ROM, hense the dilemma.
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CrazyOneCommented:
If your BIOS supports booting from a CD you should be able do the upgrade without the bootdisk.

Hi Ray
Hi reghakr


The Crazy One
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sanjay1983Author Commented:
how?
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sanjay1983Author Commented:
how? and whats bios?
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rayt333Commented:
When you are first booting up, usally durning the memory count, you should see onscreen something like hit "Delete" or hit "F10" or something similar to enter setup, follow the onscreen prompts to get into the CMOS setup (sometimes called the BIOS)
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rayt333Commented:
There should be a place there to choose the boot order, usally under the advanced section.
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rayt333Commented:
How Do I Access My BIOS or CMOS Setup Utility?

                      First see if there is a message when you first turn on your system
                      like: "To Enter Setup Press" and make a note of it. That will be the
                      key you need to access the CMOS setup. Check your
                      motherboard manual also.

                      The most popular way is to hit the Delete key as the computer
                      boots up, but there are many other ways depending on what type
                      of system you have. Other keys include: F10 on Compaqs when
                      the big cursor is in the upper right of the screen for example. Also
                      Ctrl-Alt-Delete, Ctrl-q, Ctrl-s, Alt-s, Esc, Alt-Esc, Alt-Enter,
                      Ctrl-Alt-Esc, Ctrl-Alt-Enter, Ctrl-Alt-F8, and Ctrl-Alt-Insert.

                      Or type setup in DOS on older boxes. then we have F1, F2, F12,
                      other F keys, Ctrl-Alt-q, Ctrl-Alt-s, Ctrl-Alt-d, Ctrl-Alt-p, Ctrl-Esc,
                      Ctrl-Shift-s and combinations of above.
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sanjay1983Author Commented:
my setup has a password (which i don't know and was put on there by the guy I bought it from - originally so i didn''t mess with anything).
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reghakrCommented:
Hey CrazyOne

Sanjay,
Only DOS, how did you install DOS?

Is your other computer running Win98?
What error do you get when using the oakcdrom.sys file?

This file...58x_9x.exe sounds like a self-extracting archive. An archive contains many files. See if you can peak at the contents by using Winzip or similar unzipping program.

reghakr

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rayt333Commented:
There should be a jumper on the MB you can remove or move to erase the password, this is something you need to do so you can get into the CMOS setup.

Or if no jumper then remove the battery and leave it out overnight.
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rayt333Commented:
Do you have a dos driver for your CD-Rom?     if so then we can guide you in placing it on the bootdisk to enable you to use the CD-Rom
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stevenlewisCommented:
as ray stated www.bootdisk.com has instructions on how to make a boot disk that will support your drive
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sanjay1983Author Commented:
This is what someone else suggested (cause what your suggesting goes straight over my head):

Hi Sanjay,

Your current boot disk will not have the correct drivers so will not initialise the drive.  Download the drivers as in the address from my earlier email  (from downloadable file 58x_dos.exe)

Save into a folder you create for the purpose and then run the file.  This will expand the drivers including "atapimgr.sys"

Now, using notepad, edit the config.sys on your bootdisk and add these lines (or, in DOS use "edit a:\config.sys")

device=a:\atapimgr.sys
device=a:\sr_aspi.sys /D:MSCD001

Save the config.sys

Next edit the autoexec.bat on the bootdisk and add this line

a:\mscdex.exe /D:MSCD001

Close the file and then copy  atapimgr.sys and sr_aspi.sys from the folder onto the bootdisk

Start you machine with the modified bootdisk in drive a:  and the CD should start for you.

Peter
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sanjay1983Author Commented:
Then I said:

Okay, I've done that and it installs but then this comes up:

Preparing to start your computer

The diagnostic tools were successfully loaded to drive E.

MSCDEX Version 2.25
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp. 1986-1995. All rights reserved.
    Drive F: = DriverMSCD001 unit 0

To get help, type Help and press Enter

Bad command or file name
A:\>
A:\>




Err...now what?
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rayt333Commented:
OK you have the drivers loaded for the CD-Rom, if you have the Win98 disk in it, then type "E:" and hit enter, now it should be at an E:, now type "setup" and that should start  the install.
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rayt333Commented:
oops, I meant "F"   the CD-Rom is F and not E , so subtitute F above
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stevenlewisCommented:
ay, I think it should be
f:\setup
e is the ram drive
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stevenlewisCommented:
that should be Ray not ay LOL
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reghakrCommented:
Actually the CD-ROM drive would be letter F:

reghakr
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stevenlewisCommented:
LOL we all caught that
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sanjay1983Author Commented:
Now it says:

CDR101: Not ready, reading drive F
Abort, Retry, Fail?

*SIGH*
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stevenlewisCommented:
put in a different cd rom, and from the prompt type
dir
and see if it lists anything, this will help tell if its the cd drive or the cd itself
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stevenlewisCommented:
also what speed is the cd drive, and is the install a burned (copied cd)?
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reghakrCommented:
Change the lines in the config.sys on the floppy from /D:mscd001 to /D:CDR101

reghakr
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rayt333Commented:
The error you are getting now means it cannot read the CD, but the drive is present, I agree with Steve, try a different CD and see if it can see it.
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rayt333Commented:
Check out this link for info on installing Windoze
http://www.netpathway.com/~kramer/reinstall.html
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sanjay1983Author Commented:
I'll have to try again tomorrow, cause frankly I'm tired (it's 02:20 here in England). I'll check inon this tommorrow night (at the same time) and maybe you can help me further. But a couple of things first, the cd is a copied disk (i've lost my original), changing the config lines didn't work, and I have no idea what Windoze is.

Thanks for all the help so far.
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stevenlewisCommented:
If it is a copied disk, and the cd drive is an loder drive it will not read it. i have had lots of trouble with this issue in the past. the drive needs to be 16x or greater
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stevenlewisCommented:
an loder = an older
meds are kicking in LOL
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rayt333Commented:
Windoze = Windows, just a better spelling  :>)

You wasted you time changing the config line .... I don't know why  reghakr told you that, but anyway your system is seeing the CD-Rom, but it cannot read the disk that is in it.  that is the meaning of that error message, usally when you get that it is because the disk is dirty, scratched, or a CDR or CDRW.
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reghakrCommented:
Ray,

I'm not sure about that. I had worked on one in the past where I had to change that line to get it to read the CD-ROM.

I'll play with it and see.

Sanjay, change it back in the meantime.

reghakr
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reghakrCommented:
Ray,

You were right, I checked the mscdex.exe file and that is a error message. Here is the short list:

CDR100: Unknown error
CDR101: Not ready
CDR102: EMS memory no longer valid
CDR103: CDROM not High Sierra or ISO-9660 format
CDR104: Door open

Error on my part, sorry.

reghakr
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stevenlewisCommented:
I am fairly sure it has to do woth the burned cdr and an older cd drive
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sol2kCommented:
acctually u can just do the boot disk like this
create autoexec.bat edit it put this in.  mscdex /d:mscd001 /v <--- autoexec.bat

edit the config.sys
put is on the config.sys

device=vide-cdd.sys /d:mscd001
DEVICE=HIMEM.SYS

and copy this file from you friend pc or from the cdrom driver .(vide-cdd.sys) <--- copy to ypur bootdisk
but this will work on win95 bootdisk
hopefully its work for u

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d_hallCommented:
error 101 can also come from a flakey drive.  I have two  drives that do it 90% of the time, and another that does it about 50% (same CD).  No idea what causes it, but it always began with taking the CDrom out of the case, so maybe static or mechanical misalignment?

Try a few original CDs in the drive to see if they work.  If not, do you have access to a another CDrom you can try (perhaps work or a friend)?
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stevenlewisCommented:
sol2k   ! Welcome to E-E! Its common courtesy to provide comments unless you know your answer is the only answer and is 300% correct and is what the questioner is looking for and will fix their problem. Please don?t take this personally, (others could let you know before I and not so diplomatically) I made the same mistake when I first arrived and someone was nice enough to point it out to me (It hurt my feelings, but I soon realized its teamwork that?s used here). This accomplishes a couple of things: First: it doesn't lock the question allowing more exposure to other experts allowing a faster fix (many problems require an interactive dialogue to troubleshoot them properly), Secondly: it gives the questioner the option to make an award based on the best comment that helped the most in fixing their problem and it is also is common courtesy to other experts.  Again welcome and look forward to working with you in the future, a lot of teamwork is used at this forum, as you will see! :>)  Quote shamelessly stolen from Dave, Thanks again Dave

Your answer may be correct, and I hope it is, after all the main goal here is to help the questioner, but when you propose an answer it removes the "accept comment as answer" button thereby robbing the questioner of the choice to choose which expert helped the most. If your comment is chosen by the questioner, you will be awarded the points.
Thank you  
Steve  
I will not be making any more comments on this thread until the questioner rejects the proposed answer

You will also notice that they got the drive recognized by editing the boot disk, the problem now is getting the drive to read the cd




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stevenlewisCommented:
sol2k   ! Welcome to E-E! Its common courtesy to provide comments unless you know your answer is the only answer and is 300% correct and is what the questioner is looking for and will fix their problem. Please don?t take this personally, (others could let you know before I and not so diplomatically) I made the same mistake when I first arrived and someone was nice enough to point it out to me (It hurt my feelings, but I soon realized its teamwork that?s used here). This accomplishes a couple of things: First: it doesn't lock the question allowing more exposure to other experts allowing a faster fix (many problems require an interactive dialogue to troubleshoot them properly), Secondly: it gives the questioner the option to make an award based on the best comment that helped the most in fixing their problem and it is also is common courtesy to other experts.  Again welcome and look forward to working with you in the future, a lot of teamwork is used at this forum, as you will see! :>)  Quote shamelessly stolen from Dave, Thanks again Dave

Your answer may be correct, and I hope it is, after all the main goal here is to help the questioner, but when you propose an answer it removes the "accept comment as answer" button thereby robbing the questioner of the choice to choose which expert helped the most. If your comment is chosen by the questioner, you will be awarded the points.
Thank you  
Steve  
I will not be making any more comments on this thread until the questioner rejects the proposed answer

You will also notice that they got the drive recognized by editing the boot disk, the problem now is getting the drive to read the cd




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lucikaCommented:
If you have access to other computer from a CD-ROM, it is possible to connect to it(him) yours of HDD and to pattern on it the distribution kit WIN98SE. And then to make installation from a HDD. After the installation of a Windows itself will discover your CD-ROM.
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LunchyCommented:
sol2k, please remember when there is extensive commentary on a question, it is the etiquette here to use comment only.

Rejecting sol2k's answer on basis that similar information has already been provided.  sanjay1983, please note you can still accept this comment if it proves to solve your problem.

Lunchy
Friendly Neighbourhood Community Support Moderator

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jessnjeffCommented:
Sanjay,

Would you like a bootdisk emailed to you?  If so, create a hotmail account and I will send you one.
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sol2kCommented:
thank you all
for telling me .
i think i made the misstake
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sol2kCommented:
acctually after the pc boot with the bootdisk u can directly type d: <--- if u don't have any partition on your harddisk. if u get partition try to type e:
then type dir/w/a for display the informations from the cd
hopefully i can work
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stevenlewisCommented:
sol2k That's OK, AS i said we have qll qmde the same mistake. Look forward to working with you in the future
Steve
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