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Problem connecting XP to Win2k

I am running a home network via the netbeui protocol for
connections to the Win2k machine and tcp/ip out to the
internet via cable modem. Prior to installing Win XP on my notebook it was running Win98se connecting to the Win2k machine with no problems via the netbeui protocol. All shared drives, folders, username, etc. are setup corretly on the Win2k machine. When I installed XP on one of the notebooks I noticed that it did not istall netbeui natively, however I was able to find the Microsoft document and install it on the XP machine. Even though this protocol is enabled it won't see the Win2k box. I tried to use the Network wizard located on the XP CD on my Win2k box but it will not work on a
Win2k platform. It says that the wizard is designed for Win95, 98, ME, and XP. Any ideas on how I can get these 2 machines to communicate and see each other? I tried going to the Win2k machine to look for the XP box and the network is unavailable to view form the Win2k box as well. The XP machine is able to get out and browse the internet through the linksys cable/dsl router as tcp/ip is working properly. HELP!

First, post the results of

ipconfig /all

for both machines.

Check subnet masks, workgroup name etc.
Also make sure no firewalls etc are installed.
XP comes with some firewall builtin - you may need to disable it.

General info on networking.

See http://www.practicallynetworked.com/
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/howto/
http://www.sohointer.net/howto/
http://www.sohointer.net/top/kwe-faq.htm
http://www.onecomputerguy.com/networking/peer.htm
http://www.dslreports.com/information/rated/PPPoE
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsME/using/homenetworking/articles/default.asp
www.speedguide.net
http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html Firewall and security for home and offices
Test firewall ports and port blocking http://grc.com/

I hope this helps !

did you run the network wizard on XP
control panel, network connections, new connection wizard?
I had to run this on my box before the network would function. also XP has a built in firewall, and this will popup when you run the network wizard

ASKER

I have run ipconfig and everything looks normal. I do not have the win xp firewall crap enabled. Any other suggestions?

ASKER

The firewall is IP based only. There should not be any issues with netbeui.

could you post the ip info for both machnes here?

did you run the network wizard on XP
control panel, network connections, new connection wizard?

ASKER

yes, I did.

ASKER

Here is the Win2k box:

C:\>ipconfig /all

Windows 2000 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : netserver01
Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter WAN Network Driver:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN Network Driver
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-03-8A-00-00-11
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.101.152
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . :

Ethernet adapter 3Com NIC:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 3Com EtherLink XL 10/100 PCI For Com
plete PC Management NIC (3C905C-TX)
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-50-DA-C7-79-26
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 65.14.96.10
65.14.96.12

ASKER

Here is the XP box:

C:\>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : HOOCHIE
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN Network Driver
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-03-8A-00-00-11
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.101.152
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : home.com
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Cisco Systems 340 Series Wireless
LA
N Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-40-96-29-C1-B0
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.105
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 65.14.96.10
65.14.96.12

ASKER

Here is the XP box:

C:\>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : HOOCHIE
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN Network Driver
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-03-8A-00-00-11
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.101.152
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : home.com
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Cisco Systems 340 Series Wireless
LA
N Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-40-96-29-C1-B0
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.105
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 65.14.96.10
65.14.96.12

ASKER

I posted the XP box twice by accident

so I assume they can ping each other?
can you do a search-->computer and see if it finds the w2k box?
and also from the w2k box find the xp box?

ASKER

they can't ping because "ping" is for IP connections only. This is a netbeui issue not tcp/ip. The tcp/ip works perfectly out through the cable modem. I can actually click on network places and see the names of the computers but they are not accessable. The notebook that I am on right now is win2k and it can connect to the win2k main box with no problems.

ASKER

I think that I will just uninstall this piece of crap and revert back to windows 98.

If they can't ping then there may be a connectivity issue
>I can actually click on network places and see
the names of the computers but they are not accessable.
what error message do you get?
they are in the same workgroup, you have enabled file and printer sharing and shared something on all of them correct?

I have sent an email to some fellow experts, we will see if they can help

ASKER

I can assure you that if I uninstall this OS it will start working again. The error message that I get is unable to connect to \\netserver01\c-drive, which is the path to the shared drive on the win2k box.

ASKER

Well, I uninstalled XP and I now have access back to the Win2k box. Even without reinstalling a thing! XP is crap!

You have the same IP address bound to the NICS on two machines.

good call Dennis, I missed that one
169.254.101.152
indicates that the machine is not getting an address from the dhcp server. the 169.254.xxx.xxx is a self assigned ip address, not one assigned by a dhcp server

ASKER

You guys are looking at the WAN Network driver not the physical NIC card. The WAN works perfectly on both machines. That address is mapped to both units because I am sharing an internet connection. Look at the IP Addresses of the adapter cards.

Win2k : 192.168.1.100
XP: 192.168.1.105

Once again, typ/ip is NOT the issue here. It works fine!

SG, I'm quite familiar with what I am looking at, after 25 years I should have somewhat of a clue. But I guess you're more familiar with this than I, that's what it's not working!

Have a great day!

sgillis In a network, each machine must have it's own unique ip address. there can not be two machines with the same address. also if the tcp is not correct, then NetBEUI will not work. YOu can remove all tcp from the machines, as a test, and the NetBEUI should work fine. An incorrect tcp/ip setup will interfere with the NetBEUI

ASKER

Well, as I stated before... I uninstalled Win XP on that machine and didn't touch the setting at all. BTW, tell your friend that the WAN network driver still is showing the identical addresses and my netbeui stack is working properly. I beleive that it is something quirky with XP itself. Don't you think it is odd that just by uninstalling XP everything is working fine? All of the addresses remain the same, same protocol stacks bound to the devices, etc. This is really driving me nuts because it just doesn't seem to make any sense. There is no logic behind the problem. The only think that I can think of is perhaps that the netbeui drivers on the XP CD somehow are ineffective. It did not install them natively. I wonder If I could take the file from Win2k and load it on the XP machine? I my just try that as a test. What do ya think?

I wouldn't think that would work
I am trying to see how you have the boxes connected. You have wireless, and ethernet?
Do you multiple adapters on all the machines?

SG, NetBEUI mixed with TCP/IP is the problem. Kill that and then configure the TCP/IP correctly and you'll be fine. NetBEUI is the connection your seeing, but the problem is TCP/IP generated.

ASKER

OK, I am going to need a little help here so I will give you a detailed scenario on my setup. First, I have @home cable modem service connected to a Linksys DSL/Cable router. The router also contains a 4-port 10/100 switch. I have the router running DHCP assigning IP addresses to MOST of the machines on the network. The internal address of the router is 192.168.1.1, which is also setup as the internet gateway for all of my computers.

Computer #1 (Netserver01)is a Win2K Professional machine with a static IP address of 192.168.1.100. This machine is static because it is setup as the FTP server as well. It contains a 3Com 10/100 ethernet card which is plugged into a port on the switch. It has both tcp/ip and netbeui bound to the card, as well as the client for MS networks, file and printer services. Also, I have my C-Drive and two printers setup and enabled to share.

Device #1 is a Cisco Aironet 350 Series Access Point connected to a port on the switch as well. It has a static IP address of 192.168.1.101, which is used to connect the Cisco wireless network cards to the LAN and WAN.

Computer #2 (sgillis)is a Win2K professional machine that is receiving a dynamic IP address from the router. Its address is currently 192.168.1.103 and is connected via a Cisco Aironet 350 series NIC. It also has both tcp/ip and netbeui bound to the card, as well as the client for MS networks, file and printer services.

Computer #3 (hoochie)is NOW a Win98se machine that is receiving a dynamic IP address from the router. Its IP address is currently 192.168.1.104 and is connected via a Cisco Aironet 350 series NIC. It also has both tcp/ip and netbeui bound to the card, as well as the client for MS networks, file and printer services. I am sharing the C-Drive as this machine. This is the computer that I installed XP on last night.

They all participate in the workgroup titled WORKGROUP

Can I totally get rid of netbeui and somehow configure them to use tcp/ip on the LAN as well as the LAN? Will this require some other internal addressing scheme? If I remove the netbeui from the stack on any of the machines, that machine will no longer communicate with the internal LAN, BUT will still gain the IP adddress from the router and browse the internet with no trouble.

ASKER

I have a correction... I previously stated, "Can I totally get rid of netbeui and somehow configure them to use tcp/ip on the LAN as well as the LAN?"

I meant to say "Can I totally get rid of netbeui and somehow configure them to use tcp/ip on the LAN as well as the
WAN?"

Sure, the first thing I would do is statically assing the ip addresses of them all (youcan use the same ip addresses that the dhcp server is assigning
enable dns and use the same dns server as the static assigned machine you have now (Computer #1 ) and the same gateway
then use the lmhosts file to tell each machne where the others are
http://www.realcomputerguy.com/lmhosts.htm
since there is no WINS server
the fact that you have the same ip address on two machines (169.254.101.152 ) and they haven't barked ( if two machnes have the same ip address you will get a message telling you that tcp has been disabled) indicates it is not set up correctly

ASKER

OK, would I be using the following example below since I am NOT using a domain?

lmhosts example 2
With no NT domain (peer-to-peer) the lmhosts will resemble this:
192.168.12.2 wrkstation1 #PRE
192.168.12.3 wrkstation2 #PRE
192.168.12.4 wrkstation2 #PRE

Then, if I wanted to take it further a lmhosts file for a machine on my network would look like this.... I am going to make an example if it were going on Computer #1 in my example previously mentioned. In the example above does it imply that workstation1 would be the actual name of a computer on the network?

192.168.1.103 sgillis #PRE
192.168.1.104 hoochie #PRE (What does #PRE imply)

Right on Steve!

the #PRE loads the entry into memeory so it doesn't need to parse the file everytime you go to reach the other machine
and yes you have the entries correct. Make sure to save the file as "lmhosts" note there is no extension. the lmhosts.sam is a sample files and windows won't use it, and won't use it if it is lmhosts.txt or any other extension. It must be just "lmhosts"

ASKER

OK, i will give it a shot and post a comment when I am through. Thanks again for all of your support.

sgillis I assure you it is my pleasure. I like troubleshooting network problems
Steve

ASKER

OK, I did everything that you suggested and it did not work. I edited the lmhosts file properly and put them into their appropriate places. I can still browse the internet from all 3 machines but they can not access one another. I disabled netbeui on all 3 machines. Any suggestions?

ASKER

I also tried to use the "search, find, computers" command. I typed in netserver01 and it returned a Search is complete. There are no results to display.

Is anything being shared on these machines such as drives, printers etc? Client for Microsoft Networks on each one?

the next step is to ping the ip addresses
from sgillis dos prompt type
ping 192.168.1.100
and then
ping 192.168.1.101
and
ping 192.168.1.104

ASKER

yes, the netserver01 box has drives and printers shared. When I browse the networ places from the netserver box the only thing that shows up is the netserver01 computer. If I drill down from there it will show what I have shared on that box.

ASKER

ok, from Computer #3 (hoochie) I can ping the Computer #2 (sgillis), the Cisco access point, and the router. However, I can not ping Computer #1 (netserver01), the win2k pro box. The main machine with the shared drives and printers. I will try to ping from the other win2k notebook, computer #2 next.

ASKER

OK, from computer #2 (sgillis), which is a win2k notebook I can ping the entire network with the exception of Computer #1 (netserver01) as well. So, It appears that something funny is going on with computer #1. I will look at the lmhosts file on that box once again.

ASKER

I checked out the lmhosts file on the netserver01 and it looks normal to me. Here is what it looks like. The file is located in c:\winnt\system32\drivers\etc

192.168.1.103 sgillis #PRE
192.168.1.104 hoochie #PRE

ASKER

From computer #2 I can map a drive to computer #3 with no problems at all. I have full access back and forth to each of these machines.

On the other boxes, share the drive or a folder on the drive.

>However, I can not ping Computer #1 (netserver01), the win2k pro box
this is a problem, you should be able to ping it (indicates non-connectivity)
can you ping any of the other machines from it?

ASKER

Do you guys have ICQ or AIM? If so, please send an email to plisken@xmail.com with the nickname or ICQ UIN#

ASKER

Yes, I can ping the whole network from netserver01 and now I can now ping netserver01 from the other machines but can't access netserver01 from these machines. I am really starting to get confused......

ASKER

Sorry, I mis-stated. I can ping the whole network from netserver01 192.168.1.100, including the router, access point, and other computers. I still CAN NOT ping netserver01 from the other computers on the network.

>but can't access netserver01 from these machines
what error message do you get?
at least they cn ping which is a good start

ASKER

Guys, I just found something in the win2k services. I had zonealarm running as a service in the background. I turned this off and am now able to access netserver01 from the other machines. The question now is.... how can re-enable zonealarm and let the other computers access netserver01?

Are the subnets the same on all machines?

Treat their IP addresses as friendly in the Zone Alarm setup.

Ahha, good old ZA. Ok, in zonealarm click on security, then click on advanced, and add the ip's of your other machines to allow them access. I use the ip range on my ZA, but you can also use the individual ip addresses

I also have local set to minimum, and the internet to medium on my setup

ASKER

IT WORKED!!!!

Whew,..... guys, again I want to thank you for all of your assistance ans support. Who do I need to give these points too? :)

sgillis Geat news. You did a good job working through all of this. We can do a points split if you wish, just let us know.
Dennis, teamwork always wins eh? good job
Steve

Well I mentioned turning off firewalls, way back at the beginning !

To distribute points you can accept a comment as an answer or

You can open up new questions with points for each expert with a subject like " For xxxnname" for help with...
, and notify the experts here of what you did and perhaps even provide the links,

or

You can put in a request to
https://www.experts-exchange.com/jsp/qList.jsp?ta=commspt
to distribute the points in any manner you think is proper.
This is especially true when you think you have received good information from more than one person.

I hope this helps !

That's up to you. You can award them to one, or the site can split them for you.

Nice work Steve!

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Reduced points for split as per sgillis' request in CS.

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Thanks Lunchy, you Mods rock!
sgillis, It was a pleasure working with you on this
Steve

Welcome. 8*)