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I want to put an animated MSIE logo on a Web Site that links to 5.5 sp2.  I have seen these before on Web Sites where they say 'This site is best seen with MSIE xx'.  This way whoever wants to look at my site, but can't beacuse they don't have the proper browser/version, have the option of downloading the correct MSIE version in order to view my site.  

Where can I find the animated logos?  Is it OK to link back to the download site?
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First can I draw your attention to this website:

http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/

Then can I point out the not everybody has a computer capable  of running Internet Explorer.

Microsoft (If I remember correctly) used to run a logo program where you could agree to obey a stack of rules and in return you could advertise their web browser on your site. I've had a look at their website and done some searching, but I can't find any reference to it now. It is possible that its been discontinued, but you might have luck in tracking it down.

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Microsoft used to have a program called the Site Builders Network.  That has now been merged with MSDN.  When they did that they took away their specific pages concerning IE Logo Usage and rights.  Your best bet would be to email microsoft and see what their policies are now concerning using IE logos and where to link them to.

Check out the following page for possible contact information.

http://www.microsoft.com/winlogo/default.asp

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First Dorward, Let me say that I agree with the problems associated with writing to a SINGLE browser, no matter whether it is MSIE, Netscape, Opera, or whichever.  I only know that in order to access the nice programming techniques today, you have to write to not only a particular browser, but the later versions of that browser, which is normally not backwards compatible.  Therefore, I chose to write the one that I feel people, including myself, are most familiar with, MSIE.  There are many ways to look at the problem, I look at it the same way as virus programs, and graphical programs, they all offer something, some more than others.  I don't think the problem will go away in my lifetime, so I choose the easiet way out.

Thanks also raizon, already thought of that, but I hope it won't be necessary.  They are not known for their fast email response time.  I hope there is someone out there with a better solution.
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assistant,

Not to be bothersome... but the odds are pretty good I won't be at your site -- which isn't a good sign. The stats at most of the sites I've worked on indicate at IE 5.0 and below are about forty-five per cent of the users, and NN 4.75 and below are another forty per cent. I have 150 or so users at our network, and almost none of them are above IE 5.0.

In other words, dorward's comment isn't just because he/she's being nice; he mentions it, and I mention it, because you're cutting out about nine out of ten users.

Having said that: Link away. MS may have policies and such, but they also had policies against copying MS-DOS 3.1 and 5.0, and Windows 3.1, and look where it got them -- the last I heard MS is a pretty big and stable company. You should be able to find animated gifs you can save almost anywhere.

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ericpete, I understand where you are coming from also.  And again, in order to take advantage of the awesome layering and other techniques, I have to write to a higher version browser.  I said 5.5 sp2 in my question because I was using that as a reference.  I am using 5.0 myself, and I can run my site fine.  

I don't know why, and it is your business as to why, you or anyone else, wouldn't upgrade to take advantage of the new features, providing they had the resources.  I can only say, when I was viewing some of the Web Sites on an earlier version browser, I realized how much I was missing.

Sorry I won't see you there but I am not writing my site for everyone.  Right now, I just want to let anyone that comes there know what they need to view it.  I go to sites all of the time, and leave because I am not using Netscape, or other browsers/versions.  A lot of times there is nothing there telling me what I need to run it.

You guys have probably been writing HTML code for a long time, and may be able to write code to meet the requirements of several browsers at once.  I am not that talented yet so have to start writing to one browser first.

Anyway, by the time I get this one written they will probably have already released MSIE version 1000.  I would think (not sure these days), that MS would want someone to write to their FREE browser and wouldn't mind anyone linking to the page to download it.  Who knows, I maybe wrong about that also.

p.s. Is any company stable these days?

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*grin*... One word: B-U-G-S... and neither Win2K nor Navigator 6 have done a lot to keep people from being wary of them.

Actually, I do use IE more than I do NN, but I was trying to make a point -- that just because features exist doesn't make it a good idea to use them (remember blinking text?). The fact that DSL exists doesn't mean that people go out and buy DSL modems. The fact that newer, faster computers exist doesn't mean that people upgrade (just ask anyone who is getting laid off by Compaq, HP, Gateway, or Toshiba, to name a few). And the fact that new browsers are released doesn't make anyone jump to upgrade when it takes them an hour just to download software that's damn near impossible to uninstall.

I don't think there are very many people who are writing websites for browsers below IE 4 or NN 4 -- there are probably a few -- but being REQUIRED to download a new plug-in, let alone a new browser, just to see one website, is as inconsiderate (in my book) as it is annoying.

And stable? Well... the front page of the paper showed defense stocks up eighteen to twenty per cent in a down market... *little grin*

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Trust me, I understand where you are coming from.  That's why I TRY to waite until at least some of the bugs filtered before I upgrade.  I still remember WIN95 VerA and Win 98.  Layering is going to be around for a while, I think, seeing as how both NN and IE are using that feature.

I didn't say that anyone had to buy a new computer, I said, 'If they had the resources'.

you said... but being REQUIRED to download a new plug-in, let alone a new browser, just to see one website, is as inconsiderate (in my book) as it is annoying.

In my book, it's according on who, and why, the person is writing the Site.  If a person is writing a site for a specific group, because they can't have an Intranet link, then that is great.  That site wasn't meant to be written for me and it definitely serves the right purpose.  But I downloaded a new plug-in this morning for one site, and wished I hadn't.  I took a chance, and it wasn't worth it.

I am just glad any stock has increased.
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*bemused grin*... Patience, sir... the stock market will be back JUSSSST fine. Remember Lockheed and Chrysler...

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I am sure also.  It is all what we make it to be and I trust the we will make it back.  It might take a long time or a short time, God help us either way.
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Microsoft have a programme which alows you to put a logo on your website. In addition to that they also allow you to customise the internet Explorer to some extent .. e.g. if u have seen Internext Explorer : Provided by XYZ .. or something ... the DEfault website .. The logo on Top Left of screen etc. They allow you to download that software and gopahead with that or they givs you logo which links to I.E. Download page ...

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ieak/default.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ieak/evaluation/icp/default.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ieak/license/new/default.asp

this  will give you many benifits ... like default websites .. customised Favourites added ...Your Logo etc .. etc ... and you will give your user to download IE 5.5 or 6.0 ... Get Going


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mihirl,

Welcome to Expert's Exchange!

It's common practice here to post your suggestions in the form of a comment, rather than as an answer, unless you are 100 per cent certain that yours is the only absolutely perfect suggestion.

There are two reasons for doing it this way. First, "answering" (as opposed to "commenting") locks the question and moves it from the open area to the locked questions area, meaning that fewer people will look at the question. That means fewer suggestions for the questioner, which isn't a good thing.

Second, the questioner sees a button which says Accept This Comment As An Answer. He can, and usually will, select your comment if it best answers his question.

Please change your "answer" to a "comment".

Regards,

ep

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Thanks for the input.  It was helpful.

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ericpete Thanx. I had got the same kind of advice from someone else too ... and i assured him that i'll take care. And I am telling u the same. I'll take care next time and u r Mature user of Experts-Echnage so you can guide me abt that.

Thanx Assistant for accepting my answer .. i hope it must have hel;ped u.. and if u need to know anyting more then plz ask me,. .. alryte

Regards,

Mihir
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Mihir,

No problem; everyone's new once.

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