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Sharing Internet with RAS client
Hi experts,
I have Win 2000 Server using straight ICS with local LAN.
I've set up RRAS for remote dialup connections and I am able to connect to the server and join the LAN, however, I cannot access the internet from the dialup client going through the server.
The server is currently allowing dialup clients to specify their own IPs (since using the default DHCP started by ICS did not specify the correct gateway of 192.168.0.1) so the client is specifying (in their dialup adapter TCP/IP settings):
IP: 192.168.0.X
Net Mask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.0.1
I must have missed one small checkbox somewhere, because I can ping the gateway from the dialup client and access the LAN...
Thanks!
I have Win 2000 Server using straight ICS with local LAN.
I've set up RRAS for remote dialup connections and I am able to connect to the server and join the LAN, however, I cannot access the internet from the dialup client going through the server.
The server is currently allowing dialup clients to specify their own IPs (since using the default DHCP started by ICS did not specify the correct gateway of 192.168.0.1) so the client is specifying (in their dialup adapter TCP/IP settings):
IP: 192.168.0.X
Net Mask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.0.1
I must have missed one small checkbox somewhere, because I can ping the gateway from the dialup client and access the LAN...
Thanks!
ASKER
Toby, I can't ping the internet, eg yahoo.com.
Hmmm, I haven't set up the DNS, I thought this would be resolved at the gateway...
Hmmm, I haven't set up the DNS, I thought this would be resolved at the gateway...
did you try pinging from both the gateway and client
ASKER
Toby, I can't ping the internet, eg yahoo.com.
Hmmm, I haven't set up the DNS, I thought this would be resolved at the gateway...
Hmmm, I haven't set up the DNS, I thought this would be resolved at the gateway...
ASKER
Sorry for the duplicate...
Yes, pinging from the gateway (my server) works fine.
Yes, pinging from the gateway (my server) works fine.
so i presume that you have 192.168.100.1 and the the port number set up as the proxy address in IE?
go to the command line and paste in the results from
route print
for both boxes
go to the command line and paste in the results from
route print
for both boxes
ASKER
I can't do that here at the moment, I'll paste it later. btw what's the syntax for tracert?
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
all you really need to do is
tracert www.domainname.com
or
tracert ip address
to test the issue at hand I would do a simple test with an IP not domain name
tracert www.domainname.com
or
tracert ip address
to test the issue at hand I would do a simple test with an IP not domain name
ASKER
Thanks tobyk, I'll try it out later and keep you posted.
Sounds like tobyk is on the right track. Id try to ping an ip address outside your network, if this is successful, then try to ping a domain name. This would clearly indicate a DNS problem.
ASKER
Hi Tobyk,
This is the result of a trace from a LAN client:
E:\>tracert yahoo.com
Tracing route to yahoo.com [216.115.108.245]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms MYSERVER [192.168.0.1]
2 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 10.201.114.1
3 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms r1-pos6-0-0.blktn1.nsw.exc itehome.ne t.au [203.164.3.133]
4 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms c1-pos1-1.rdc1.nsw.exciteh ome.net.au [203.164.3.21]
5 10 ms <10 ms 10 ms bb2-gige5-0.rdc1.nsw.excit ehome.net. au [203.164.3.166]
6 180 ms 190 ms 190 ms bb1-pos5-1.sanjs1.ca.excit ehome.net. au [203.164.3.61]
7 180 ms 190 ms 190 ms bb2-15gigvl10.sanjs1.ca.ex citehome.n et.au [203.164.2.221]
8 190 ms 190 ms 190 ms c2-pos5-2.snjsca1.home.net [24.7.70.233]
9 230 ms 220 ms 241 ms pos6-3.core1.SanJose1.Leve l3.net [209.245.146.129]
10 220 ms 221 ms 230 ms gigabitethernet9-0.ipcolo1 .SanJose1. Level3.net [64.159.2.35]
11 230 ms 230 ms 231 ms cust-int.level3.net [63.209.15.226]
12 230 ms 241 ms 230 ms ge-1-0-0.msr1.pao.yahoo.co m [216.115.100.142]
13 221 ms 230 ms 230 ms vl20.bas1.snv.yahoo.com [216.115.100.225]
14 230 ms 231 ms 230 ms img5.yahoo.com [216.115.108.245]
Trace complete.
E:\>
This is the result of a trace from a LAN client:
E:\>tracert yahoo.com
Tracing route to yahoo.com [216.115.108.245]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms MYSERVER [192.168.0.1]
2 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 10.201.114.1
3 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms r1-pos6-0-0.blktn1.nsw.exc
4 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms c1-pos1-1.rdc1.nsw.exciteh
5 10 ms <10 ms 10 ms bb2-gige5-0.rdc1.nsw.excit
6 180 ms 190 ms 190 ms bb1-pos5-1.sanjs1.ca.excit
7 180 ms 190 ms 190 ms bb2-15gigvl10.sanjs1.ca.ex
8 190 ms 190 ms 190 ms c2-pos5-2.snjsca1.home.net
9 230 ms 220 ms 241 ms pos6-3.core1.SanJose1.Leve
10 220 ms 221 ms 230 ms gigabitethernet9-0.ipcolo1
11 230 ms 230 ms 231 ms cust-int.level3.net [63.209.15.226]
12 230 ms 241 ms 230 ms ge-1-0-0.msr1.pao.yahoo.co
13 221 ms 230 ms 230 ms vl20.bas1.snv.yahoo.com [216.115.100.225]
14 230 ms 231 ms 230 ms img5.yahoo.com [216.115.108.245]
Trace complete.
E:\>
ASKER
This is the output from my server (MYSERVER):
C:\>tracert yahoo.com
Tracing route to yahoo.com [216.115.108.245]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 10 ms 20 ms <10 ms 10.201.114.1
2 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms r1-pos6-0-0.blktn1.nsw.exc itehome.ne t.au [203.164.3.133]
3 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms c1-pos1-1.rdc1.nsw.exciteh ome.net.au [203.164.3.21]
4 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms bb2-gige5-0.rdc1.nsw.excit ehome.net. au [203.164.3.166]
5 190 ms 190 ms 181 ms bb1-pos5-1.sanjs1.ca.excit ehome.net. au [203.164.3.61]
6 190 ms 190 ms 191 ms bb2-15gigvl10.sanjs1.ca.ex citehome.n et.au [203.164.2.221]
7 180 ms 180 ms 191 ms c2-pos5-2.snjsca1.home.net [24.7.70.233]
8 230 ms 230 ms 231 ms pos6-3.core1.SanJose1.Leve l3.net [209.245.146.129]
9 220 ms 220 ms 221 ms gigabitethernet9-0.ipcolo1 .SanJose1. Level3.net [64.159.2.35]
10 230 ms 231 ms 240 ms cust-int.level3.net [63.209.15.226]
11 220 ms 241 ms 230 ms ge-1-0-0.msr1.pao.yahoo.co m [216.115.100.142]
12 230 ms 231 ms 230 ms vl20.bas1.snv.yahoo.com [216.115.100.225]
13 231 ms 230 ms 230 ms img5.yahoo.com [216.115.108.245]
Trace complete.
C:\>tracert yahoo.com
Tracing route to yahoo.com [216.115.108.245]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 10 ms 20 ms <10 ms 10.201.114.1
2 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms r1-pos6-0-0.blktn1.nsw.exc
3 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms c1-pos1-1.rdc1.nsw.exciteh
4 <10 ms 10 ms 10 ms bb2-gige5-0.rdc1.nsw.excit
5 190 ms 190 ms 181 ms bb1-pos5-1.sanjs1.ca.excit
6 190 ms 190 ms 191 ms bb2-15gigvl10.sanjs1.ca.ex
7 180 ms 180 ms 191 ms c2-pos5-2.snjsca1.home.net
8 230 ms 230 ms 231 ms pos6-3.core1.SanJose1.Leve
9 220 ms 220 ms 221 ms gigabitethernet9-0.ipcolo1
10 230 ms 231 ms 240 ms cust-int.level3.net [63.209.15.226]
11 220 ms 241 ms 230 ms ge-1-0-0.msr1.pao.yahoo.co
12 230 ms 231 ms 230 ms vl20.bas1.snv.yahoo.com [216.115.100.225]
13 231 ms 230 ms 230 ms img5.yahoo.com [216.115.108.245]
Trace complete.
ASKER
Hmmm, actuall from the dialup client, I can't ping anything after the connection is made...
Ok, I might have to start from scratch again... Do you know where I went wrong?
I can see MYSERVER from the dialup client, but when I try to access it, it prompts for the password for:
\\MYSERVER\\IPC$
Is there a default password for this? I've added a network share on MYSERVER and given the dialup user full access to that share...
Help...
Ok, I might have to start from scratch again... Do you know where I went wrong?
I can see MYSERVER from the dialup client, but when I try to access it, it prompts for the password for:
\\MYSERVER\\IPC$
Is there a default password for this? I've added a network share on MYSERVER and given the dialup user full access to that share...
Help...
Are you really using ICS or the RRAS NAT? The latter does allow what you're trying to do and fully supports everything you will need. ICS, however, was designed as a pretty easy but also not very configurable approach to do internet sharing.
ASKER
Hi Avon, I'm using straight ICS - I know it's very basic, is it possible to share LAN + Internet with dialup user using basic ICS?
it is but if you are looking at changing the ip addresses assigned to the local network you will need to use NAT from memory. I would do this as it is very simple to set up
ASKER
Thanks for your comments toby and Avon,
I don't want to change the IPs of the LAN, they're assigned upon connection to the server by the default DHCP service started on the internal LAN NIC (192.168.0.1) when I selected the basic ICS.
I have set up NAT before, but I would rather not make so many changes if it is possible to achieve my goal using basic ICS.
Thanks again guys.
I don't want to change the IPs of the LAN, they're assigned upon connection to the server by the default DHCP service started on the internal LAN NIC (192.168.0.1) when I selected the basic ICS.
I have set up NAT before, but I would rather not make so many changes if it is possible to achieve my goal using basic ICS.
Thanks again guys.
sorry just noticed the following comment from you
hence the confusion about the ip thing
>The server is currently allowing dialup clients to >specify their own IPs (since using the default DHCP
>started by ICS did not specify the correct gateway of >192.168.0.1) so the client is specifying (in their
>dialup adapter TCP/IP settings):
>
>IP: 192.168.0.X
>Net Mask: 255.255.255.0
>Gateway: 192.168.0.1
Why in dialup adapter? you would normally connect to the 2000 server using a domain account and using a standard NIC. What type of clients are you using?
If they are nt/win2k paste the results of ipconfig /all into here
If they are 98 i guess you can manually make a list of the settings
hence the confusion about the ip thing
>The server is currently allowing dialup clients to >specify their own IPs (since using the default DHCP
>started by ICS did not specify the correct gateway of >192.168.0.1) so the client is specifying (in their
>dialup adapter TCP/IP settings):
>
>IP: 192.168.0.X
>Net Mask: 255.255.255.0
>Gateway: 192.168.0.1
Why in dialup adapter? you would normally connect to the 2000 server using a domain account and using a standard NIC. What type of clients are you using?
If they are nt/win2k paste the results of ipconfig /all into here
If they are 98 i guess you can manually make a list of the settings
ASKER
Hi Toby,
This is a remote client, so connection to the server is through the dialup adapter (added by default when you install a modem).
The client is a Win98 machine.
Ok, it sounds like I've confused you, here's my setup:
WIN2K Server with name: MYSERVER
1 NIC - attached to internet
1 NIC - attached to internal LAN (assigned an IP of 192.168.0.1 by using basic ICS)
Client machines on the internal LAN have IP assigned automatically upon connection to 192.168.0.1
Dialup client machine does not have NIC, only has modem, is able to connect to MYSERVER but after connection is not able to ping the internet nor 192.168.0.1
I just (sounds so easy doesn't it =) need the dialup client to see the internal LAN, and access internet through MYSERVER.
Thanks.
This is a remote client, so connection to the server is through the dialup adapter (added by default when you install a modem).
The client is a Win98 machine.
Ok, it sounds like I've confused you, here's my setup:
WIN2K Server with name: MYSERVER
1 NIC - attached to internet
1 NIC - attached to internal LAN (assigned an IP of 192.168.0.1 by using basic ICS)
Client machines on the internal LAN have IP assigned automatically upon connection to 192.168.0.1
Dialup client machine does not have NIC, only has modem, is able to connect to MYSERVER but after connection is not able to ping the internet nor 192.168.0.1
I just (sounds so easy doesn't it =) need the dialup client to see the internal LAN, and access internet through MYSERVER.
Thanks.
what is the ip address assigned to the dial up computer......
you will not be able to route to 192.168.100.1
it is a private ip.....that is the point of it
you will not be able to route to 192.168.100.1
it is a private ip.....that is the point of it
ASKER
Toby, I wish that was the solution, but the IP address I specified for the dialup computer is 192.168.0.3 and it's not clashing with any other PCs.
Thanks for the prompt replies, it's great!
Thanks for the prompt replies, it's great!
what is the routing table like to for the ICS server.
It won't know where to send packets (you didn't do a tracert from dialup client) it thinks that network 192.168.0.0/24 can be reached through the internal card yet that is not the case with the dialup client so you'd have a routing loop
It won't know where to send packets (you didn't do a tracert from dialup client) it thinks that network 192.168.0.0/24 can be reached through the internal card yet that is not the case with the dialup client so you'd have a routing loop
ASKER
Hi Toby,
tracert from the dialup client shows that the ping times out.
I'm confused about 192.168.0.0/24 - where did you get these IPs from? I don't see it on the routing tables...
The ICS server is MYSERVER, I've pasted the tracert for that, how do I get information on its routing table?
tracert from the dialup client shows that the ping times out.
I'm confused about 192.168.0.0/24 - where did you get these IPs from? I don't see it on the routing tables...
The ICS server is MYSERVER, I've pasted the tracert for that, how do I get information on its routing table?
>tracert from the dialup client shows that the ping times >out.
at which hop
>I'm confused about 192.168.0.0/24 - where did you get >these IPs from? I don't see it on the routing
>tables...
192.16.0.0 is your network as you told me and a subnet mask of 24 bits is 255.255.0.0
>The ICS server is MYSERVER, I've pasted the tracert for >that, how do I get information on its routing
>table?
goto command line and type:
route print
at which hop
>I'm confused about 192.168.0.0/24 - where did you get >these IPs from? I don't see it on the routing
>tables...
192.16.0.0 is your network as you told me and a subnet mask of 24 bits is 255.255.0.0
>The ICS server is MYSERVER, I've pasted the tracert for >that, how do I get information on its routing
>table?
goto command line and type:
route print
ASKER
Toby, the tracert from client shows time outs for all hops. I will run the route print command and show you the output when I get home - 5hrs from now. 8-/
Thanks
Thanks
ASKER
Actually, do you know how I can configure the default DHCP service started by ICS?
Do you think the IP of 192.168.0.1 (on MYSERVER's internal LAN NIC) is the correct gateway address for dialup clients to use since they can go through MYSERVER's NIC that is attached to internet...
Do you think the IP of 192.168.0.1 (on MYSERVER's internal LAN NIC) is the correct gateway address for dialup clients to use since they can go through MYSERVER's NIC that is attached to internet...
ASKER
So really, the gateway for dialup clients to use is the IP address of the NIC going out to the internet... right?
you can't configure DHCP with ICS
you can't configure DHCP with ICS
ASKER
Really? So the only way is through NAT 8-/
- The lan NIC will be changed by ICS to IP address 192.168.0.1. It also installs a mini DHCP service.
Clients then use "dynamic IP" and are assigned 192.168.0.2, etc., with gateway 192.168.0.1. But you
can set the client's IP address statically if you prefer. Just remember it's 192.168.0.2 (or higher),
mask 255.255.255.0 and gateway 192.168.0.1.
The should be NO DNS entry on the Internal LAN NIC , so that it will automatically forward thru ICS.
I hope this helps !
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Thanks SysExpert and tobyk,
For dialup clients, should they still use a gateway of 192.168.0.1 - since they're connecting to the dialup adapter on the server side (installed by default when modem is installed), wouldn't you specify either the server's dialup adapter's IP or the NIC connected to the internet as the gateway?
Well my reasoning is this:
Server (MYSERVER):
NIC1 connected to internet with IP 10.201.114.1
NIC2 connected to LAN with defaulted IP 192.168.0.1
dialup adapter IP = (haven't checked)
LAN client (LANCLIENT):
NIC1 connected to LAN with assigned IP and gateway of 192.168.0.1
Internet packets can route to the gateway and then the internet - as shown in the first tracert...
So... to make a guess, I would say that the dialup client would use MYSERVER's dialup adapter's IP address as the gateway to the internet and the internal LAN right?
For dialup clients, should they still use a gateway of 192.168.0.1 - since they're connecting to the dialup adapter on the server side (installed by default when modem is installed), wouldn't you specify either the server's dialup adapter's IP or the NIC connected to the internet as the gateway?
Well my reasoning is this:
Server (MYSERVER):
NIC1 connected to internet with IP 10.201.114.1
NIC2 connected to LAN with defaulted IP 192.168.0.1
dialup adapter IP = (haven't checked)
LAN client (LANCLIENT):
NIC1 connected to LAN with assigned IP and gateway of 192.168.0.1
Internet packets can route to the gateway and then the internet - as shown in the first tracert...
So... to make a guess, I would say that the dialup client would use MYSERVER's dialup adapter's IP address as the gateway to the internet and the internal LAN right?
the gateway should be 192.168.0.1
the client should be able to arp and find that interface and it knows how to get to the internet
the client should be able to arp and find that interface and it knows how to get to the internet
when you are in the routing and remote access console do you see any headings for routing intefaces and ip routing. If so what do they show?
make sure that under the routing and remote access console when you look at your server properties under the general tab that both the Remote Access Server and Router boxes are ticked with the LAN and demand dial ticked under Router
ASKER
Sorry guys, I couldn't access EE for a while...
The client is able to dial up the server, but it asks for the DOMAIN along with the username and password. So... doing a little research, I think you need to set up Active Directory and make the W2K server a DOMAIN controller if you are going to use RRAS. What I want is to connect a dialup client to a SERVER in a WORKGROUP. This can be done by just adding an INCOMING CONNECTION under Dialup Networking -> Add New Connection.
Ok, I got this work work and DIALUP clients ARE able to ping BOTH NICs on the server however, they can't access the internet 8-(
Oh, another problem: on the DIALUP clients (win98), it is only able to connect when I only added the modem and no networking clients/protocols. When I add Client for MS Networks and/or File Sharing, I cannot establish a connection with the server giving: Unable to connect to server due to network settings...
The client is able to dial up the server, but it asks for the DOMAIN along with the username and password. So... doing a little research, I think you need to set up Active Directory and make the W2K server a DOMAIN controller if you are going to use RRAS. What I want is to connect a dialup client to a SERVER in a WORKGROUP. This can be done by just adding an INCOMING CONNECTION under Dialup Networking -> Add New Connection.
Ok, I got this work work and DIALUP clients ARE able to ping BOTH NICs on the server however, they can't access the internet 8-(
Oh, another problem: on the DIALUP clients (win98), it is only able to connect when I only added the modem and no networking clients/protocols. When I add Client for MS Networks and/or File Sharing, I cannot establish a connection with the server giving: Unable to connect to server due to network settings...
The DOMAIN should hold the name of the server you're connecting to if you're not in a domain. There is no NEED to make the server a DC, even though this has other advantages for centralized user management.
In order to allow your clients to use the NAT, you have two possibilities:
1. for every client which may connect to the RRAS server, add a Dial-On-Demand interface in the server's RRAS (as if you were to dial TO the Win9x machine). As name for this interface, specify EXACTLY (!) the username that the Win9X machein is going to use during dial-in.
Then add this interface to the NAT as private interface. Note that this implies that you will not have multiple DUN connections which are using the same username simultaneously.
2. Using NETSH, you can add the internal "pseudo-adapter" as private NAT interface, and it will do NAT for any client connecting automatically:
netsh routing ip nat add interface name="Internal" mode=private
(Note thast the interface name may differ if you have a localized Windows version. In the RRAS console, the interface is listed, use the name shown there. After doing this step, close and re-open the RRAS console and go to NAT to look if the interface has properly been added.)
Of course, I assume that the rest of the settings are set correctly (DHCP, DNS, RRAS).
In order to allow your clients to use the NAT, you have two possibilities:
1. for every client which may connect to the RRAS server, add a Dial-On-Demand interface in the server's RRAS (as if you were to dial TO the Win9x machine). As name for this interface, specify EXACTLY (!) the username that the Win9X machein is going to use during dial-in.
Then add this interface to the NAT as private interface. Note that this implies that you will not have multiple DUN connections which are using the same username simultaneously.
2. Using NETSH, you can add the internal "pseudo-adapter" as private NAT interface, and it will do NAT for any client connecting automatically:
netsh routing ip nat add interface name="Internal" mode=private
(Note thast the interface name may differ if you have a localized Windows version. In the RRAS console, the interface is listed, use the name shown there. After doing this step, close and re-open the RRAS console and go to NAT to look if the interface has properly been added.)
Of course, I assume that the rest of the settings are set correctly (DHCP, DNS, RRAS).
Hopefully you've already been helped with this question, but thought you'd appreciate knowing this.
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Sorry for neglecting this question all.
Thank you for all your inputs!
You are right tobyk, I will most likely need a more flexible approach - using RRAS.
Cheers,
Kong
Thank you for all your inputs!
You are right tobyk, I will most likely need a more flexible approach - using RRAS.
Cheers,
Kong
Thanks, Kong, for returning and finalizing this.
Moondancer - EE Moderator
Moondancer - EE Moderator
I would also try using an IP address in the browser address field as it is often easy to get the DNS settings wrong