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Geforce2 MX200 - New System Problems

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I am hoping somebody here will give me a clue as to why my 3DMarks are as lame as they are.

System:
Windows 98 - DirectX 8.0
AMD 1.4 GHZ
512 MB Ram DDR
Asus A7A/266 motherboard
eVGA Geforce2 MX200 64MB
Ali AGP Drivers 1.80
Latest NVidia Detonator drivers (Not the new XP version)

My 3DMark2001 is about 980-1020 (depending on my BIOS settings).  I have played with changing the 1x,2x,4x and the Aperature size from 16MB to 128MB.  Results from the same type of setup and exact graphics card usually pull around 2800 or more for 3DMarks  :-(

I feel like I have forgot to load something ... ?  If I could even just double my 3DMarks I would be happy.

Thanks!
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"I have played with changing the 1x,2x,4x"

First of all, your card should be a 1x, 2x, or 4x card and this setting should be set to match the card.  Setting it incorrectly will result in slowdowns.  Since it works at 4x at all, I would assume it is a 4x card and just running slow at 1 and 2.  You should check the documentation for the card to be certain.  As for this 3D testing program, I've got it downloading and will write back later after I've had a chance to check it out.

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Doeas this card have difficulty with Quake 3 arena?
I have the same card and the game brightness will nit link to windows, is far to dark to play!

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OMG!  You going to make me admit that I do not own nor play Quake3 ... dang you!  :-)

In all honesty, my games play fine for the most part and the graphics look GREAT!  It is almost like this Geforce2 is performing at a fraction of the speed possible.

btw ... the card is a 4x compatible, but eVGA suggest 1x with the lowest Aperature setting possible for best stability.

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lol thanks!

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"the card is a 4x compatible, but eVGA suggest 1x"

They do this as a paranoid butt-covering tactic.  

Run it at 4x with the largest aperature your BIOS allows (should be 256MB).
Hmmmm, I have a slight suspicion about the chipset there, not seen so many graphics benchmarks on ALI based Athloh boards though, their super 7 boards were never quite as fast for AGP as VIA ones.

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True ... but most hardware reviewers have only found that this board seems to show a slower memory bandwidth (via SandraSoft) than comparable chipsets.  Even if the chipset was the culprit, I still suspect I should be getting over the 2000 mark.  Put it this way ... my score on MadOnion's website was lower than the TNT!  Same card with less horsepower chips outperform me 2:1 ... sometimes 3:1!

Yuck!

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I think mad onion leaves alot to be desired.
It ranked me at 100% compasred to the mack 3 system at 400%.
My system blows away that mach 3!
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I'd check your BIOS settings, see if there are any memory timing settings you can turn up a notch, and possibly update the BIOS to a newer revision.  I seem to recall seeing an article at www.anandtech.com about hte ALI DDR chipset and memory bandwidth problems, etc.

-d

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I told a fellow tech head here at my work my dilema, and of course he setup the following test:

AMD 1.0GHZ   (I am running 1.4)
248MB Ram    (I am running 512MB)
Geforce2 MX200 32MB   (I am running same with 64MB)

and he showed me a score of 2600+ (the bastard!).  Did he have any suggestion for me to fix the problem ... no (the bastard!).

Any one else have any more suggestions please?  I am thinking about purchasing a new card to verify it is not my Motherboard.
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Ensure the "AGP Aperture" setting in BIOS is set to at least 128MB also.  If this is 16-32 or so, it will basically disable AGP, and some of the MadOnion tests really need the AGP to do the job (48MB of textures, etc).

Also, did you load the drivers for the Northbridge chipset (they should have been on the Asus CD included with the card) or you can get them here:

http://www.aliusa.com/eng/support/drivers/north_agp_driver.htm

I would advise both the Integrated Driver and the AGP driver (reboot after the Integrated Driver install, then install the AGP, then restart again).  Also, are you sure your card is really the same as the others?  There are several varieties of the MX200 chip, some using slower SDRAM than others, etc...

-d

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I really appreciate everyone's input - but to no avail.  I was never able to get better marks.

This PC is gonna get a passed down Geforce3 TI200 card since my main is getting a new Geforce4 4400.

So when I add this card ... we will see whether or not it may have been the card or some other devilish setting.

Much appreciated!@
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Were you running in the default settings in 3DMark?

-dog*

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I believe so (its been awhile) but I think it was running in LOW and 1024/768 32-BIT colors.  Whatever the defaults were because I didn't play with the settings.

After I installed 3DMark on the Geforce3 PC and ran it stock (didn't touch the settings) - it showed respectable numbers (like I was expecting).
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So what do you want to do with this question?  You can accept an answer from one of the Experts who commented on it, or you can have your points refunded and the question moved to the PAQ (Previously Asked Questions).  Post a request in Community Support:
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with a link to this question Q:20190077.html and indicate that you were unable to resolve the problem directly.

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