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Slow Boot Up in Presario 1200

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A new problem has surfaced on my Compaq Presario 1200 XL111 laptop.  The boot up now takes about 10 minutes as opposed to about a minute. No new software has been loaded prior to slow down of bootup. Before slow boot problem surface, everyhing worked fine.

System:
Compaq Presario 1200 XL111 Laptop
AMD CPU 500 MHz, 128 MB Ram
Windows 98 SE
6.0 GB HD
DVD/CD combo
Standard floppy drive
No network cards
Lucite 56k dial up modem

I have done a scandisk, defrag and no speed up of boot.
Ran Nortons anivius with latest definitions and did not find a virus.

Ran boot log analyar and found that it takes 169 Seconds for hsflop.pdr to load which indicates something is not working right.

I have replace hsflop.pdr with a know good version, but it still boots very slow.

Any help will be grating appreciated.

William
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Commented:
Try disabling the floppy in the BIOS , and / or the device manager and see if this helps.

also :

I would run the Start-windows update to make sure that you have the newest updates.

In addition Cleanup the startup stuff. In win98/Win ME/Win XP -  Do a Start - Run - msconfig, startup Tab , or for win95 , NT or win2k,
Download the Startup COP a free pcmag utility from
http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,,77594,.html
 Run it and it will show you everything that is listed in all the possible startup
                        places, and allow you to disable things one at a time until the problem is eliminated.
 A lot of probelms are caused by excess old baggage - programs that have not been properly  un-installed. Startup Cop will eliminate leftovers and un-wanted programs that you no longer want.
Older Antivirus programs and Norton Utilities have been known to cause problems
try disabling them also !

BTW :   Msconfig can also be run on Win95,  just copy the msconfig.exe from a Win98 machine.
You should only need systray and explorer in the startup on a win9x machine.

Update and run 2 good, updated antivirus program- Norton, McAffee etc.
 
 Then run SFC from the Start-run command, and have it fix any broken files.

ALso check into getting driver updates for ALL of your hardware, BIOS, VGA, motherboard etc.

I hope this helps !

Commented:
Are you loading REAL PLAYER. Here at work we had several systems start acting slugishly both at boot-up and during normal operation.

After we removed REAL PLAYER from bothe the common area and the registry system operation went back to normal.

Best of luck

Commented:
William,

Compaqs are notorious for having extra programs running at startup. Here's ones you can uncheck from msconfig:

Cpqeasyacc, Eaclean, Cpqinet, Cpqns, Isdbdc, Service Connection

To permanenty remove the unchecked entries,
backup the registry and/or export the following keys:
go to Start>Run, type regedit. Navigate to:


HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run-
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run-
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices-

and delete the entries in the right pane.

reghak

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Commented:
I have used Msconfig to eliminiate anything loading at startup and no luck it still takes about 10 Minutes to bootup.
Things that I have tried with no luck:
- SFC no broken files found)
- Scanregw
- Defrag (takes an extremely long time)
- ran disk clean
- deleted TMP files

I do not have Real Player on the laptop.

Any more suggestions? Any coments on load time for hsflop.pdr?  I have uninstelled and reinstalled with no luck.....still boots slow.
Commented:
Back up all your data, FDISK and FORMAT your hard drive, re-install Windows, and re-install your applications using only the original program disks. Then access the backed up data as necessary.

I know this seems to be a radical step, but you could spend COUNTLESS HOURS trying to find the cause of this problem and never have any luck.

It could be any number of things. You might hit on it after 6 attempts or so or you might never find it and lose all you hair (or get lot's of gray ones) in the process.

At least with a clean re-install you know what type of time investment you are facing and you will probably see a little bit better overall performance in your machine as well.

I wish I could offer more.

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Commented:
I have tried all above solutions(except complete format/and reload of windows 98) and have not resolved the slow bootup problem.

Any more suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Please note the increase to 300 points

Commented:
Have you also checked these locations?

1. Go to Start>Run, type sysedit. Look over the autoexec.bat for unneccessary lines, click the win.ini and check for programs loading here:
[windows]
load=
run=

Check the Start>Programs>Startup folder for shorcuts.


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2. Computer Speed and Performance Decreases

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The information in this article applies to:

Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition
Microsoft Windows 98
Microsoft Windows 95
Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition

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SYMPTOMS
Under some conditions, your computer may run slowly.

CAUSE
This behavior can occur for any of the following reasons:

Programs may be running automatically when you start your computer. Programs such as this typically run all the time; this uses a portion of your system resources that cannot be used for any other task.

You are running a program that creates memory leaks. When you quit a program, the system resources that the program used are supposed to be returned to the operating system. However, some programs do not totally return these resources, effectively "leaking" memory; this can create a low system resource state.

You have a small or minimal amount of random access memory (RAM), or a slower central processing unit (CPU). For example, although Windows 95 can run with a minimum of 4 megabytes (MB) of RAM (24 MB for Windows 98 and Windows Millennium Edition), this amount of RAM may not be sufficient to maintain a high speed while you run one or more programs. Also, if you are providing only the minimum CPU requirements for Windows 98 (486DX/66 or higher) or Windows 95 (386DX or higher), that may not be sufficient to maintain a high speed while you run one or more programs.

RESOLUTION
To resolve this issue:

Verify that any programs that run automatically when you start your computer are truly needed, and if not, quit them. For example, an antivirus program is a program you probably want to run all the time, but you may have other less essential programs you do not need to have running all the time. To determine what programs are running, press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, and make a note of all the programs listed. Note that Explorer is the Windows operating system and Systray is the system tray located on the right-side of the taskbar. You should not quit these two programs. Determine which programs must run all of the time, and then quit the remaining programs. To quit a program, press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, click the program you want to quit, and then click End Task.


Determine if you are running programs that create memory leaks. This may be the case if your computer becomes slow after you run and quit one or more programs. If your computer runs well before you run a program, but then slows noticeably after you quit the program, you may have a memory leak. To verify this:


Restart your computer, and do not start any programs.


Right-click My Computer, click Properties, and then click the Performance tab. Note the percentage number next to System Resources. This is the amount of free system resources before you run any programs.


Start one of your programs, use it as you would normally for 15 or more minutes, and then quit the program.


Right-click My Computer, click Properties, and then click the Performance tab. Note the percentage number next to System Resources, and compare it to the number you noted in step B. If your system resources are substantially less than they were previously, your program may be creating a memory leak. To resolve this issue, contact the manufacturer of your program to inquire about the availability of a fix for this issue. To work around this issue, restart your computer after you quit the program.


If you are using the minimal amount of RAM or a slower CPU, you can add more RAM to your computer, or obtain and install a faster CPU. For information about how to do so, contact your computer manufacturer, or view the documentation included with your computer.
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3. How to Edit the Msdos.sys File
If you want to change any of the values in the Msdos.sys file, follow these steps to edit the file:

Click Start, point to Find, then click Files Or Folders.

In the Named box, type "msdos.sys" (without quotation marks). In the Look In box, click your boot drive (usually drive C). Click the Find Now button.

Right-click the Msdos.sys file and then click Properties.

Click the Read-Only and Hidden check boxes to clear them to remove these attributes from the Msdos.sys file, and then click OK.

Right-click the Msdos.sys file and then click Open With.

In the "Choose the program you want to use" box, click NotePad and then click OK.


Make the changes you want to the Msdos.sys file. When you are done, save the file as a text document, and then quit NotePad.
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BootMenuDelay=<Number>

Default:  30

Purpose:  This setting is used to set the number of seconds your system
          will pause on the Startup menu. If the number of seconds counts
          down to 0 without intervention, the BootMenuDefault is activated.

NOTE: This option is not functional unless BootMenu=1 has been added to
the [Options] section of the Msdos.sys file.
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Change the number to something like 5.

Right-click the Msdos.sys file, and then click Properties.

Click the Read-Only and Hidden check boxes to select them to set these attributes for the file, and then click OK. Close the Find window.

Quit and then restart Windows.
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4. Try hitting F2 or the Del key on startup to access the BIOS. You may see an entry for Fast Boot or similar wording. Enable it.

reghakr

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Commented:
I was reluctant to take your advise and therefore "did" spent countless hours of trying to solve my problem.

I regrouped and took your advice and did what you recommended (Fdisk, re-install windows). I should have done a lot earlier.  

My system nows runs like a top.

Thanks,

William

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