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Test help requested for music HTML

My browser is IE6.  If you have something else, would appreciate your help for a test.

To get non-obtrusive music on a website:

http://personal.cfw.com/~write/a_temp.html

If it fails with your browser, tell us, if you can, WHY you think it fails.

This HTML question comes up repeatedly, so if you can contribute without extraneous comments
this thread should make a good PAQ.

As written, the reader CHOOSES to listen rather than having the music forced on him/her.

The ICON is sort of standard, so if it is placed near the top of the web page, the purposed
should be obvious.  Note that the ICON is small, and doesn't clutter up things.

Will adjust points upward depending on responses.
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COBOLdinosaurCommented:
All the controls worked correctly for IE5.5 SP2.

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dorwardCommented:
Auto plays sound, no controls.

Galeon 1.2.0 with plugger plugin and defult config.

Suspected reason:
* no native support
* plugin is very simple
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KenAdneyCommented:
Controls and sound are OK on IE 5.00 on Win98.  Graphic above it is unreadable.
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brunoCommented:
worked fine for me in IE 4 on Win 98 as well.
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pleasenospamAuthor Commented:
Here is the code.  What would you change, and why?

<EMBED SRC="~write/midi/yestrday.mid" WIDTH=144 HEIGHT=60
AUTOLOAD=false AUTOSTART=false LOOP=2>
<NOEMBED>
<BGSOUND SRC="~write/midi/yestrday.mid" VOLUME=25% LOOP=2>
</NOEMBED>
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pleasenospamAuthor Commented:
KenAdney,

I think the reason the graphic is unreadable is that the original message size may
have been reduced below the level where the font could distinguish the words.

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pleasenospamAuthor Commented:
Changing the code to increase Height and Width.  Note the graphic message is now visible:

<EMBED SRC="~write/midi/yestrday.mid" WIDTH=200 HEIGHT=80
AUTOLOAD=false AUTOSTART=false LOOP=2>
<NOEMBED>
<BGSOUND SRC="~write/midi/yestrday.mid" VOLUME=25% LOOP=2>
</NOEMBED>

Here is the new link:

http://personal.cfw.com/~write/a_temp.html

In addition to the clarification of the message, this change is supposed to
keep some browsers from crashing.
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webwomanCommented:
Netscape 4.75 started a java applet, graphic wasn't large enough to fit the area, but it played.

Netscape 6 didn't have the right plugin, got a plugin icon, no graphic, no sound.

Win2K, I didn't test it with IE since it's been tested numerous times.

Depending on how Netscape is set up (all versions) it may or may not do anything.
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pleasenospamAuthor Commented:
Tell me if I am wrong: Are some browsers designed so that they won't cooperate with anything?
In that case, any external effort to force them to do what they aren't supposed to do
would fail.  For example: Plugins.  How in the world would a web page designer be able
to anticipate what would be required?  Would a designer be forced to create a special plugin?
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KenAdneyCommented:
I'm not sure I understand your question, but I think if you want the widest possible audience for your web page, you should minimize the need for plugins.  If you must use a plugin, you should never assume the audience already has one installed & give them the link to install it.
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webwomanCommented:
Browsers are designed to be customizable. As such, it's very possible that whatever you do won't work for some people. Things that work in one browser may not work in another. That's the way it is.

You can't FORCE anybody to have anything. You can't force them to USE anything they don't want to.

Anything that's not HTML the browser can be configured to ignore. That includes graphics, java, javascript, plugins (they're just not there), Flash, Shockwave, sound, PDFs, ActiveX -- anything that's not HTML code may not work.

YOU don't control this. The USER does. You can check for some things -- like browser version, platform, some plugins, javascript -- pretty easily. Other things you really can't check for, or not very easily.

So any solution that anybody promotes as working for 'everybody' you should take with a very large dose of skepticism -- because while it might work for the majority of people, it's certainly not going to work for 'everybody'
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pleasenospamAuthor Commented:
Just this one problem shows the glaring need for industry-wide software standards!

For my web pages I plan to leave the code as I have last shown it above.  Although
the image is much larger than I like, apparently it is necessary for some browsers.
Other authors might want to provide access to plugins, but I don't want to get that
sophisticated. I am especially grateful to webwoman for needling me to do some
external research where I found some answers.

Leaving thread open for more comments, but awarding points for contributions so far:

COBOLdinosaur - 20
dorward - 30
KenAdney - 50
brunobear - 20
webwoman - 100
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pleasenospamAuthor Commented:
Increasing points as follows:

COBOLdinosaur - 50
dorward - 60
KenAdney - 100
brunobear - 50
webwoman - 200  
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pleasenospamAuthor Commented:
Are there any more comments?
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brunoCommented:
you got any more questions?
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