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Need help with a totaly hidden application

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I want to say that I would give much more points for a help on this question.

I need the following:
- an application/service which will run totaly hidden for all windows version
- it should run by a non-standard way (Registry, System.ini, Startup places)
- it should be invisible on task managers

I need a complete help on coding this and will give as much points as I can (you make the request). Please don't send partial solutions and partial code samples, need someone who can make it complete.

TIA
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by:robert_marquardt
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Please tell for what you need such an application.
There are several of us who do not want to help for spyware etc.
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by:Stuart_Johnson
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I second that, Robert.  These sorts of requests always make me nervous.
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by:Cesario
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I agree with robert
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by:ginsonic
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nice try :)
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by:hhamster
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I want to get system running task from remote computers and start (if neccesarry) some tasks on them, as the man in charge in a small company with few dozens of PCs. The service should evaluate for traping of commands, actions etc... because many times I need to prove what the users really did on their computers (like installing unauthorized software...)

I know this is a delicate question and I'm not forcing anyone to help me with this. Also all I said here could be lies. If anyone is really interested in helping, please stand forward, otherwise please don't spam this question.
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by:Cesario
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well some hints

Hide program in the list Ctrl+Alt+Del:
http://www.delphi3000.com/article.asp?id=2188&SK=hide

Hide the app from the taskbar
http://www.delphi3000.com/article.asp?id=997&SK=hide

This article demonstrates how to create an application that is invisible to the Windows Task List and to the fast ALT+TAB switching order.
http://search.microsoft.com/gomsuri.asp?n=5&c=rp_Results&siteid=us&target=http://support.microsoft
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by:SteveWaite
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Why totally hidden?
Surely you need accountability for your own sake?
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by:piscean
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is there any other way of starting an app other than "Registry, System.ini, Startup places"? Hmmm...
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by:Madshi
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If we're talking about a few PCs, which you want to control remotely, then the easiest and most effective way would probably be this one:

Put all your stuff into a dll. Then patch "explorer.exe" on all your PCs, so that it loads your dll. Maybe there is a PE editor available, which can directly manipulate the import table? If not, you'll have to do it yourself. Or maybe you could patch the assembler code of explorer.exe. It's not too easy, but it would be perfect for your needs.

Sorry, can't do the work for you, no time for that. Just a bit brain storming...

Regards, Madshi.
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by:Stuart_Johnson
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How come you need to find an alternative starting method?  If all the PCs are on a network with a domain controller, or are all Windows NT machines, you can define a rule which prevents people from editing LOCAL_MACHINE part of the registry.  You could quite easily add your application to load under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, and even if they saw the exe was there, they couldn't do anything about it.

There is software available which will prevent users from installing software or modifying settings.  This maybe a more appropriate thing to do than being deceptive.  Even though this isn't really spyware in the true sense of the word - it's corperate spyware - software designed to monitor the usage habits of other employees.  Personally, I don't like the sort of thing.  I believe in restricting peoples access rights more than waiting for them to do something "illegal" and then repremand them for it.

Rant over :)
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by:pnh73
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No comment has been added lately, so it's time to clean up this TA.
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by:Stuart_Johnson
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Even though I'm not claiming the points on this, I will post an objection to Madshi getting them as he really hasn't offered any help (certainly not 500 points worth).  I'm sure he'd agree with me as well.

The points should simply be refunded.

Stu.
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I will leave a recommendation that this question is:

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