ME has quit doing system checkpoints

I've used system restore in ME a number of times with good success. Any time I install a new program or make major changes, I'll set a checkpoint to facilitate back-out in case of problems.  Here is my problem:  The documentation states that system checkpoints are taken automatically at boot up and other times.  My system once did that, but suddenly stopped.  If I want a checkpoint, I have to set it myself.  

What has happened?  How can I get the system to start taking checkpoints again?  I've searched the Windows help system to no avail.  Thanks in advance for your help.

Tony Huddleston
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ITsheresomewhereCommented:
There are two things that might be occurring.
One you've reached the limit on the amount of space and need to either expand the space available to this feature or remove some of the older check points.  IT is supposed to do a move out discard thing automatically but sometimes that just doesn't work.

The other thing is there was a problem where after a certain date it would not automatically run. And it never said it anywhere or gave any clue to what was going on, just didnt do it.  There is an update at Windows Update to fix this.  I ran into it myself and really wondered what had happened.

Sorry I don't have ME machine up at the moment or I would try to give you greater specifics.

Hope this helps
ITsy
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LeeTutorretiredCommented:
Hi, ITsheresomewhere, I believe the info from Microsoft on your two possible explanations are given in these articles:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q303354
Q303354  Error Message: System Restore Was Unable to Create a Restore Point

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q290700
Q290700  Checkpoints That You Create After September 8, 2001 Do Not Restore Your Computer


Here's another article to try for troubleshooting why System checkpoints fail:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q306768
Troubleshooting System Restore in Windows Millennium Edition (Q306768)


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tonyinmjAuthor Commented:
Hello, ITsheresomewhere and LeeTutor.

Thanks for your quick response. The Microsoft fixes didn't seem to address my exact problem.  I've received no error messages saying that restore or creating restore point have failed.  I suppose it's possible that such a message appeared once and I failed to see it.  

There was a registry edit that seemed to be the closest to addressing my problem.

I looked at the REGEDIT fix (from LeeTutor's first link)and it wanted to change a string which didn't exist in the registry.  Perhaps that's my problem, a corrupt registry that should have that string and does not.  I'm afraid to try that though, unless I can be sure it won't make things worse.

The string in question is: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\VxDMon\DelayFirstRstpt.

The entire path is there except the string "DelayFirstRstpt".

The actual Registry update was to change the string value from "1" to "0", but I had no string to change.

Thanks again for your input.  I'm still looking for a fix I can be reasonably assured that it will help. (Or at least to no harm).

Tony Huddleston
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ITsheresomewhereCommented:
I don't have confidence that DelayFirstRstpt would be the simple answer since the interpretation would be to either delay or not delay the First Restore Point creation.  Normally if a key is called for but not existing it would take a default of 0 = don't delay do it and therefore would not be need. The key would only really exist in order to set the 1 value of delay.  


Troubleshooting ME System Restore - Automatic function - my approach

1. Go to Windows Update and validate that the System Restore patch/fix has been installed.  Q290700  
If not install it.  If previously installed, or upon completion of step 1 go to step 2

2. Go to Click Start , point to Programs , point to Accessories , point to System Tools , and then click System Restore .  Validate that three options exist,
Q267951, indicating System Restore has been Started.  If there are not three options then create a point to validate "started" aspect.  Check also for any advanced or options areas where "automatic" restores may be turned on/off from. If manual restore point was created return to above after 10 minutes and reverify that 3 options are available.

3. During 10 minutes go Control Panel>System>Performance tab>File System. Validate size of disk space to be used and compare against free space.  If free space is adequate, adjust size to be used upwards a bit to add extra "kick start" to automatic action.  Check for any advanced or options areas where "automatic" restores may be turn on/off from.  

Wait 24 hours to revalidate that automatic has occurred.

If automatic still not working then proceed to  

4. Use Method 3 of Q303354, again provide time/actions to take place for "automatic" to occur as designed.

If still not working proceed to

5. Use Method 1 of Q303354,  again provide time/actions to take place for "automatic" to occur as designed.

If still not working - enumerate sequentially steps taken to date and seek additional assistance.

These steps could be shortened/eliminated if you are able to access a Windows ME registry which has a currently working system restore by which to compare entries.

Noted with extreme caution intended: You can also manipulate system date to give appearance of time passage in order to shorten actual troubleshooting time, but should only be done if you understand the impact this can have on the various system files and programs.  

Hope this has been of help

ITsy
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LeeTutorretiredCommented:
There is a sentence in the article which says:

NOTE : Your system registry may not contain the following entry. If it does not, try Method 2.

Now, "the following entry" is:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\VxDMon

You say you have the above entry, but under it you do not have the key called DelayFirstRespt.

It's a bit unclear to me whether the passage in the article should be written in such a way that "the following entry" refers to the key DelayFirstRespt, rather than the way it is now.  I would say you are justified in NOT creating that key and value.  (One reason is that I looked in my own computer's WinME Registry, and I have the "entry" mentions, but not the key.  In other words, I have the same situation as you.) The article gave you a second and a third option to try, if the entry was not present.  Have you tried either of them?
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LeeTutorretiredCommented:
tonyinmj, any luck getting automatic checkpoints working again?  What have you tried, and with what results?

I found this web page at Windows-Help.net which contains much useful info about the System Restore feature of WinME, including the following quotation:

http://www.windows-help.net/windowsMe/system-restore-pf.htm

System Restore will automatically create a restore point before the following events:

Application installations (provided the application utilizes a current installer that is System Restore RestorePT.API compliant such as the new Microsoft Software Installer (MSI) technology or InstallShield 6.1 Pro and later). In the event the application causes harm to the user’s system, choosing a restore point before the application was installed allows the user to roll the system state back to the time before the installation of the application, if needed.
AutoUpdate installation. The AutoUpdate feature of Windows Me provides an easier way for home users to download critical Windows updates in an unobtrusive way. Once the update is downloaded, the user is presented with the opportunity to install the update on the user’s system. When the user chooses to install the update, the System Restore feature will create a restore point before the actual installation of the update begins.
Restore operation. If a user, for example, accidentally chooses the wrong system state to restore back to, the user can, by choosing a restore point before this operation, undo the restore operation. The user can then choose the correct restore point (If however, the Restore is done in Safe Mode, a Restore Point will not be created).
Scheduled restore points

In addition to creating restore points before certain events, System Restore provides users with the ability to restore to other specific days and times. Automatic System CheckPoints are created for every 10 hours of computer up time but only after the computer has been idle for 2 minutes. If this criterion is not met, then a System CheckPoint will be created once every 24 hours after the system has been idle for 2 minutes.

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LeeTutorretiredCommented:
After reading the above, I am wondering could it be possible that you are so busy with your computer, that there is never a time when the system is idle for 2 minutes?
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LeeTutorretiredCommented:
Tonyinmj, any response?
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ITsheresomewhereCommented:
Lee

Look like Tonyinmj has given up on us.

Should we refer to Mod for a close.  Care to split this one?

ITsy
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LeeTutorretiredCommented:
ITsy, fine with me.  Except I think we should wait a couple of days to see if our last comments will spur him to come back.  Actually, I guess the moderator will give him a period of time to respond, so go ahead...
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tonyinmjAuthor Commented:
I'll respond soon. I've been away on vacation. Sorry guys.

Tony
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ITsheresomewhereCommented:
Ok  just as long as we know your around.  Hope you enjoyed the vacation.

ITsy
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tonyinmjAuthor Commented:
Hello everyone,

The computer was off from Friday June 7 through Friday June 14.  When I turned it back on, it did not take a system checkpoint.

I've started trying some of your suggestions.  I'm taking it slow to make sure I don't make things worse.

I downloaded and installed patch Q290700. After installation, it removed all my previous restore points and created a system checkpoint.  (The docs stated that restore points before patch installation would not be available).

I will wait and see if it starts taking system checkpoints at regular intervals.  (This patch was to fix a problem of restore points after 9-8-2001 not being usable.  I do not have this symptom, but sometimes more than one thing is fixed in a patch).

I'll let you know if it solved the problem.

Tony




 
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tonyinmjAuthor Commented:
Hello again,

Installing patch Q290700 did not help.  No automatic system checkpoints were taken after the initial one taken during the patch install.

There are no error messages, I can take restore points myself, and restoring to a restore point works.  It's just that the automatic taking of restore points has stopped.  

None of the problems addressed by Microsoft in "Troubleshooting System Restore in Windows Millennium Edition (Q306768)" seemed to address my problem either.

I'll keep looking and thanks for your input.

Tony

Tony


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ITsheresomewhereCommented:
Tonyinmi

How goes things - did you get the autorestore started again?  Any new information?  Still needing/wanting to keep this open?

ITsy

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WiZaRdCommented:
What is the status here? Is the problem fixed and if so did anything here lead you to the solution (if so award points accordingly).
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tonyinmjAuthor Commented:
Thanks to everyone who responded:

I guess we can close this one. I can't award any points as my problem was never resolved. I still have to take user checkpoints as ME will not take system checkpoints.  If anyone is sure he has the answer, let me know quickly and I'll award the points.

(I plan to install Windows XP eventually, which also has System Restore.  Maybe that will fix it).

Thanks,
Tony
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Analog_KidCommented:
tonyinmj -

As your problem remains un-resolved, this question should be deleted and your points refunded.
I will leave such a recommendation to Community Support on your behalf.

Best regards,
Analog_Kid
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moduloCommented:
PAQ'd and points refunded

modulo

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