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In my makefile, I want to specify two ways of making the file "fsing".


fsing: dependencies
      construct_fsing_verbosely

fsing_quiet: dependencies(same)
      construct_fsing_quietly

However, since fsing_quiet is a phony target (doesn't correspond to a real file, whether I specify it as .PHONY or not doesn't matter), then if I say "make fsing_quiet" it will run the commands construct_fsing_quietly *whether or not the fsing file is up-to date*.

How do I get the behaviour I want?

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PHONY targets cannot have dependencies, for obvious reason
(they are done always, 'cause you explizizely tell make that there is no file to check the dependencies against)

The PHONY target is always executed if used.

> How do I get the behaviour I want?
Which behaviour do you want?
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I want "make fsing_quiet" to execute "construct_fsing_quietly" only if fsin is up to date.
I want "make fsing" to execute "construct_fsing_verbosely" only if fsing is up to date.
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I want "make fsing_quiet" to execute "construct_fsing_quietly" only if fsing is up to date.
                       I want "make fsing" to execute "construct_fsing_verbosely" only if fsing is up to date.
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if you want to do it in either case, why do you need 2 targets?
Why do you need a target with dependencies, when fsing is the dependency?
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by:glebspy
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if you want to do it in either case, why do you need 2 targets?

I want to do a different thing in either case.




Why do you need a target with dependencies, when fsing is the dependency?

because I want to invoke use the syntax "make fsing_quiet"
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> I want to do a different thing in either case.
what is the difference? Your description contains none.

Could you please give working examples.
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by:glebspy
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what is the difference? Your description contains none.

In one case I want the executable "construct_fsing_verbosely" to be run, and in the other
case I want "construct_fsing_quietly" to be run. These are applications which construct the same target but one produces a lot of output, and the other doesn't. I hope that is clear.

A simple example could be with rsync, although my applications are not so simple:

fsing: dependencies
      /usr/bin/rsync --verbose me@foreign_host:fsing .

fsing_quiet: dependencies
      /usr/bin/rsync me@foreign_host:fsing .
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ok, I got it, but (quote from your original question):

> .. doesn't correspond to a real file .. whether or not the fsing file is up-to date

as you know yourself, phony targets do not generate/use a target file, so they also cannot check against dependencies (see my very first comment).

try following:

fsing_verbose: dependencies
     construct_fsing_verbosely
     @touch $@
fsing_quiet: dependencies
     construct_fsing_quietly
     @touch $@
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ok thanks for helping ahoffman
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Thanks for grading.

And don't forget to remove these targets from the .PHONY: list ('cause they are no longer phony targets).
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