KathyBrowning
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Page display/ slices
Can someone please look at my site and tell me a better way to achieve what I am trying to do. I've created the basic look that I need, however, when the page loads, all of the individual slices appear one at a time and it looks horrible.
Go to www.browningsystems.com
Once there, click on photos, products, or services.
Thanks,
Kathy
Go to www.browningsystems.com
Once there, click on photos, products, or services.
Thanks,
Kathy
I don't get what the problem is... Images appearing bit by bit is how web pages load... ?
If you mean the white section in the middle that has the text rollovers, then you could use hotspots instead of slices so that the section there loads as a single image. That might help.
If you mean the white section in the middle that has the text rollovers, then you could use hotspots instead of slices so that the section there loads as a single image. That might help.
Yes, we need more detail. What browser/system gives the problem, what you want to do, what it's NOT doing, etc.
And don't look at it in Netscape -- you've got divs in tables, nested divs, and it's not going to look good at all.
Also, just because DW will do it doesn't mean you should. DW does lots of stuff that either won't work or doesn't work as you expect.
And don't look at it in Netscape -- you've got divs in tables, nested divs, and it's not going to look good at all.
Also, just because DW will do it doesn't mean you should. DW does lots of stuff that either won't work or doesn't work as you expect.
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Zeffer, there's nothing wrong with Flash, if used in the right place. Navigation is not usually the right place, as it can cause problems for some people. The last thing you want is people not to be able to use the site AT ALL because they've got the wrong version of Flash, or no Flash at all.
There's HTML that works in Netscape, and there's HTML that DOESN'T. Nested divs don't work correctly in NN4+. Unclosed table tags don't work in NN4+ (or 6, or Mozilla). Dreamweaver will help with the unclosed tags, but NOT the nested divs that don't carry styles the way they should, or the things you try to position relatively that don't show up (or show up in the wrong place), or the javascript that DW generates (Flash too!) that doesn't work as advertised. Heck, LOTS of stuff doesn't work when you use wizards, no matter what program you use.
And just a comment... your Flash piece doesn't do much, what's it supposed to do? All I see are hover effects on the text. Nothing changes, nothing moves. Is that right? If so, that can be easily accomplished with styles.
If it's supposed to do more, then I'm a PERFECT example of why I don't promote Flash for anything critical on the page. ;-)
There's HTML that works in Netscape, and there's HTML that DOESN'T. Nested divs don't work correctly in NN4+. Unclosed table tags don't work in NN4+ (or 6, or Mozilla). Dreamweaver will help with the unclosed tags, but NOT the nested divs that don't carry styles the way they should, or the things you try to position relatively that don't show up (or show up in the wrong place), or the javascript that DW generates (Flash too!) that doesn't work as advertised. Heck, LOTS of stuff doesn't work when you use wizards, no matter what program you use.
And just a comment... your Flash piece doesn't do much, what's it supposed to do? All I see are hover effects on the text. Nothing changes, nothing moves. Is that right? If so, that can be easily accomplished with styles.
If it's supposed to do more, then I'm a PERFECT example of why I don't promote Flash for anything critical on the page. ;-)
Zeffer, there's nothing wrong with Flash, if used in the right place. Navigation is not usually the right place, as it can cause problems for some people. The last thing you want is people not to be able to use the site AT ALL because they've got the wrong version of Flash, or no Flash at all.
There's HTML that works in Netscape, and there's HTML that DOESN'T. Nested divs don't work correctly in NN4+. Unclosed table tags don't work in NN4+ (or 6, or Mozilla). Dreamweaver will help with the unclosed tags, but NOT the nested divs that don't carry styles the way they should, or the things you try to position relatively that don't show up (or show up in the wrong place), or the javascript that DW generates (Flash too!) that doesn't work as advertised. Heck, LOTS of stuff doesn't work when you use wizards, no matter what program you use.
And just a comment... your Flash piece doesn't do much, what's it supposed to do? All I see are hover effects on the text. Nothing changes, nothing moves. Is that right? If so, that can be easily accomplished with styles.
If it's supposed to do more, then I'm a PERFECT example of why I don't promote Flash for anything critical on the page. ;-)
There's HTML that works in Netscape, and there's HTML that DOESN'T. Nested divs don't work correctly in NN4+. Unclosed table tags don't work in NN4+ (or 6, or Mozilla). Dreamweaver will help with the unclosed tags, but NOT the nested divs that don't carry styles the way they should, or the things you try to position relatively that don't show up (or show up in the wrong place), or the javascript that DW generates (Flash too!) that doesn't work as advertised. Heck, LOTS of stuff doesn't work when you use wizards, no matter what program you use.
And just a comment... your Flash piece doesn't do much, what's it supposed to do? All I see are hover effects on the text. Nothing changes, nothing moves. Is that right? If so, that can be easily accomplished with styles.
If it's supposed to do more, then I'm a PERFECT example of why I don't promote Flash for anything critical on the page. ;-)
Persoanlly I quite like flash, but for a site as simple as the one Kathy has I would stick with HTML.
There is no need for animation or music and IMO they are the main reasons for using flash in a project.
Considering the subject matter i suspect the target audience (new mothers) don't have the most up to date computers/ software which is another reason to stick with HTML.
There is no need for animation or music and IMO they are the main reasons for using flash in a project.
Considering the subject matter i suspect the target audience (new mothers) don't have the most up to date computers/ software which is another reason to stick with HTML.
What it does primarily..webwoman..is arrive in one piece..
as quickly as an HTML page and with the potential to be a lot faster.(I admit there is a high level of authoring ability required to successfully achieve this). Kathy Browning is asking for a better way to do what she is trying to do..she obviously wants something that looks good and works well..this is where Flash excels..response times to user interaction particularly.. and Flash plays in anything with the (appropriate)player....lik
bgillbanks.. the target audience must include the fastest growing user group on the net..older people..mums and dads of the mums and dads..and they have the money for the latest stuff:)..and anyway a user with an older machine can update to the latest player in a couple of clicks..also if at a later date when broadband is widely available and Kathy wants to integrate music or video..which would be ideal for this site..using Flash now would be just plain sensible.
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as quickly as an HTML page and with the potential to be a lot faster.(I admit there is a high level of authoring ability required to successfully achieve this). Kathy Browning is asking for a better way to do what she is trying to do..she obviously wants something that looks good and works well..this is where Flash excels..response times to user interaction particularly.. and Flash plays in anything with the (appropriate)player....lik
bgillbanks.. the target audience must include the fastest growing user group on the net..older people..mums and dads of the mums and dads..and they have the money for the latest stuff:)..and anyway a user with an older machine can update to the latest player in a couple of clicks..also if at a later date when broadband is widely available and Kathy wants to integrate music or video..which would be ideal for this site..using Flash now would be just plain sensible.
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I appreciate all of your help and unfortunately as I am a novice, simply suggesting hotspots or flash wasn't what I was looking for.
I picked up a book from the store and highly recommend it to anyone out there. "Professional Web Design" by Clint Eccher. In there it talkes about Nesting tables. The importance of closed tags on your tables for Netscape users. It also talkes about using graphics for download when what you might need is simply an HTML text rollover. I don't mind hard coding it at all. Maybe I need to go to HomeSite or Flash or something else instead of DreamWeaver. I've read about 200 pages of this book and am still unsure of the best way to go about solving this problem, however, I am leaning against flash. Only
I picked up a book from the store and highly recommend it to anyone out there. "Professional Web Design" by Clint Eccher. In there it talkes about Nesting tables. The importance of closed tags on your tables for Netscape users. It also talkes about using graphics for download when what you might need is simply an HTML text rollover. I don't mind hard coding it at all. Maybe I need to go to HomeSite or Flash or something else instead of DreamWeaver. I've read about 200 pages of this book and am still unsure of the best way to go about solving this problem, however, I am leaning against flash. Only
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Don't know why I wrote "talkes" , like to blame it on my broken finger, but the broken finger is on the right and the "e" is triggered by a completely different finger ;)
hotspots are invisible areas on an image. These can be given their own individual links/ javascript commands.
They are pretty easy to usetup, and use.
In dreaweaver select the image you want to add a hotspot too. On the properties panel (bottom left of the panel I think) there are a set of shapes. Just select the box one and then draw a box over the sections of the image you want to use as a button. You then get a semi transparent box that you can apply links to.
Keeps your main image as a single object and makes everything load in one piece.
If you have dreamweaver then Homesite isn't worth it... In fact upgrade to dreaweaver MX and Homesite is part of the same bundle (I think they are one and the same now).
If you really want HomeSite then look as firstPage 2000. Its pretty much the same only... free :)
http://www.evrsoft.com/
Zeffer - yup... silvers surfers are included but you have to/ should aim for the lowest common denominator. Just because some have the latest trechnology doesn't mean they all will.
They are pretty easy to usetup, and use.
In dreaweaver select the image you want to add a hotspot too. On the properties panel (bottom left of the panel I think) there are a set of shapes. Just select the box one and then draw a box over the sections of the image you want to use as a button. You then get a semi transparent box that you can apply links to.
Keeps your main image as a single object and makes everything load in one piece.
If you have dreamweaver then Homesite isn't worth it... In fact upgrade to dreaweaver MX and Homesite is part of the same bundle (I think they are one and the same now).
If you really want HomeSite then look as firstPage 2000. Its pretty much the same only... free :)
http://www.evrsoft.com/
Zeffer - yup... silvers surfers are included but you have to/ should aim for the lowest common denominator. Just because some have the latest trechnology doesn't mean they all will.
>> silvers surfers are included but you have to/ should aim for the lowest common denominator. Just because some have the latest trechnology doesn't mean they all will.>>
And again -- zeffer's Flash piece DID NOT work for me. Not in Netscape or Mozilla. Anything that's IE only isn't a solution, and especially not if it's a crucial piece of navigation.
That was my point -- it's not that Flash can't do nice things, but that it WILL NOT work for everybody. HTML works.
And again -- zeffer's Flash piece DID NOT work for me. Not in Netscape or Mozilla. Anything that's IE only isn't a solution, and especially not if it's a crucial piece of navigation.
That was my point -- it's not that Flash can't do nice things, but that it WILL NOT work for everybody. HTML works.
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Zeffer, seems my boss liked your idea despite the obstacles of previous browsers. Can you do me a fawor and send me the flash file? kathybrowning@bellsouth.ne
Thanks,
Kathy
Thanks,
Kathy
Kathy, do you HAVE Flash? Because if you don't, you're going to need to buy it. You won't be able to edit the file if you need to without it. You'll also need to learn it -- it's not your regular graphics program.
If you mean the white section in the middle that has the text rollovers, then you could use hotspots instead of slices so that the section there loads as a single image. That might help.