setting up external firewire 100gb HD... GB limits/ pc/mac

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Hi folks
Bought the external Firewire/usb enclosure on ebay...
Bought the whipping fast Western Digital [wd1000jb] 100GB HD w/ 8MB cache too...

We're in Firewire here...

I need to get win 2k to format it in FAT 16 so as I can use it between my PC and mac.
The mac formats it to around 28GB, so I brought it up to my PC and it wants it in FAT 32 (not friendly to Mac).

1) Can I get it cross platform formatted with ~100GB in one partition (or preferably 10GB + 90GB)

2) Is the ata 133 feature on the HD going to read thru the Firewire bus (or the USB bus)?

3)  (edit) Do I in fact need to use fat 16 for pc/mac compatability?  

4) the priority here is to use the drive on the mac.

mac Os = 9.22  
pc Os =  2000 sp3  integrated FW & USB 2.0 on mobo
enclosure = ME-320 w/ spray-paint color scheme

Thanks!
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See:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;118335

FAT16 cannot support a partition greater than 2GB.  So what you're proposing to do is impossible.  Sorry....

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In addition, I think you'll find that Macs are perfectly friendly to FAT32--it's NTFS they have difficulties with. I suppose it's possible the FAT32 drivers built into the Mac OS aren't capable of reading a FAT32 partition larger than 28Gb, in which case you should try splitting the drive into four 25Gb partitions and see what happens. If you don't have a Windows 98 boot disk handy (or can't download one from www.bootdisk.com) you can't create a FAT32 partition larger than 32Gb, so you may have to do this in any case.
Kyle SchroederEndpoint Engineer

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Maybe this discussion would help you:
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Computers/Networking/Macintosh/Q_20390816.html
(in fact, it was the #1 result when Googling "FAT32 on Mac OS")

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Also, this page indicates that FAT32 was supported in MacOS (using PC Exchange control panel) since OS 8.1:
http://www.upenn.edu/computing/help/doc/os/mac/macos81.html

If you format the whole thing as FAT32 from Windows, can you read it on the Mac (since apparently FAT32 is OK on MacOS 8.1+)

This Q sounds like a job for weed (the resident Mac guru/advocate :)

I'm sure he'll be along shortly with wisdom.

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I've been trying to format the drive on the PC then take it over to the mac.  I create a 10GB partition and a 90GB partition under win2K; the 10GB takes a fat32 ok, but when I go to format the 90GB partition, it comes back after a while that the volume is too big.

I read somewhere that you can do this from fdisk to a FW drive. I've tried to go to fdisk using my boot floppy, but the system seems to be hanging for some (possibly unrelated) reason.

Thanks for the help so far...  
Kyle SchroederEndpoint Engineer

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Well, Firewire isn't natively supported on the majority of PCs via the BIOS, so fdisk probably won't work.  According to this:
http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWSXP/home/using/productdoc/en/choosing_between_NTFS_FAT_and_FAT32.asp
32GB is the largest FAT32 partition you can create with XP's disk manager.  Win98/SE's fdisk has a limitation too with creating partitions larger than 64GB, but there is an fdisk update to address this at:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;q263044
You could attach the disk to the standard IDE controller and use a Win98 boot disk (www.bootdisk.com if you don't have one) with the updated fdisk.exe from the above page, create and format the partitions, then install the drive back into the Firewire enclosure.  Or use the Western Digital Data Lifeguard (boot disk) that came with the drive to partition/format it (again on the internal IDE).  You can get it from:
http://support.wdc.com/download/index.asp#dlgtools

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Kyle SchroederEndpoint Engineer

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Oh, I think that FAT32 32GB limit is the same on 2K as it is on XP.  Both XP and 2K can use a larger partition, but due to some Microsoft settings, Disk Manager won't let you *create* larger partitions.

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well, at this point, with the drive back in the PC, neither fdisk nor data lifeguard (the native WD disk formatter) is letting me go above around 28GB.  I can't find any utilities to give the drive an 'overlay' (if that's indeed what it takes).  Why am I having so much trouble with a simple format???
I did manage to set one large partition on the drive on the PC, but no format would take.  I then took it over to the mac, and still was not able to initialize it there, either with dos OR hfs.??
Kyle SchroederEndpoint Engineer

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Check the drive for a jumper that limits the size to 32GB (some WD drives come with this installed/enabled by default for some strange reason).  What motherboard is in the PC?  It should (since it has USB2 and FW on the mobo) be able to address a drive of this size...

You may need the VIA 4in1 driver to use this under Win2KSP3, you can get it from www.viaarena.com under the Drivers section on the left.  Note that this is only for a motherboard based on the VIA series of chipsets, not for Intel (though you can have a VIA chipset and Pentium 4).

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gigabyte 8IEXP mobo with integrated firewire usb lan audio.

I bought the drive used on ebay, so it had been formatted already and booted ok then (before I tried to re-partition it with a 10GB/90GB arrangement)the 10GB partition shows up nicely, but the remaining partition doesn't at all (so I've been going with one big partition now, in hoping it'll make it easier for the mac to see the 'unformatted volumes'.
   
Kyle SchroederEndpoint Engineer

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Is the drive connected internally to the Promise RAID channel or the standard IDE port???  If its on the Promise RAID controller, you may need an updated driver to get it to properly utilize the drive...

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Ok  I set it up plugged into the IDE on a blue intergraph PII and got the WD disk lifeguard to work, by feeding it a win98 bootdisk.  
I set it up as first a 10/85GB partition combo, but when one partition proved unstable (always the 2nd one... odd) I went for a single partition.
Move to the mac.
plug in ole' firewire, and the window comes up.  I throw a few hundret megs of images, cascade the folders and watch the .jpg and .mov icons replicate themselves in and out, making a cool 'cascade effect' like in 'the matrix'.  no I'm not crazy.  
Mind you I've run a DV department on both macs and pc's in a NY studio, and had to fiddle firewire around, but this behavour is weird.
maybe I should upgrade to OS X.
Fi

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I ultimately found that the bridgeboard on the External enclosure was defective - the firewire side wasn't working properly.  that's why I couldn't get a good format.
Kyle SchroederEndpoint Engineer

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Ahhh, well yes that would do it.  One reason why I'm leery of buying much of anything off of eBay, someone just pawns their problems off on you.  In any case, you should be fine now (assuming you got the external case board repaired).

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