Additional Hard Drive ?

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Hi Guys,
I am a bit slow on this so be gentle with me. I have just acquired a P2 500Mhz. Installed win98 and all is fine. I had a 15Gb hard drive on my old PC that I do not want to format. I tried to install it on as a slave to the original 6Gb hard drive. The Bios are on auto detect and have obtained the relevant info, but 98 is still unable to detect it. I thought I had cracked it when 98 started to build a data base but no.
Equip List
Floppy = A
Hard drive Master =C
CD =D
plus the usual PCI cards etc
Its a Maxtor diamond plus I think and I have removed all jumpers so that it is a slave running on the same IDE cable as the master (the cables are denoted master and slave so i dont think I've messed that up).
Help! any more info required let me know
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WakeupSpecialist 1

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So the bios does see it?  is what i am hearing?  What OS was installed on your old PC?  Also, taking all the jumpers off probably did not set this to slave.

check out the jumpers:
http://maxtor.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/maxtor.cfg/php/enduser/olh_adp.php?p_faqid=887

LEt us know what ya got....

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The old drive was running on the same 98 disc. I had a look at the maxtor site and seems to show that none of the configurations need jumpers for the slave?

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Sorry Wake up, I seem to have been a little abrupt, thanks for your help!
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rid

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You had better make this really clear: Is the cable labelled for master and slave on the connectors? The computer may use the Cable Select scheme for master/slave identification. This would mean you need to set the drive(s) to Cable Select, too.

Also, the BIOS will recognize an empty/logically messed up hard drive, which windows will not do. Make sure that the drive is partitioned and formatted (connect the drive(s), boot form a 98 boot floppy and run fdisk. If you get the option #5, change hard drive, you can inspect both drives for partitions.

You may also want to think about if this secondary drive ever was prepared with some kind of BIOS overlay software, in which case you'll have a neat problem to get anything off of it.

Regards
/RID

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Rid,
The cable is labeled with master and slave,I'm sure the drive is formatted and has no partitions as it still works when I return it to the original PC but as a master. It was originally formatted using the maxtor software, (not sure exactly what that does) about a year or so ago. I feel rather foolish for asking buy how do you run fdisk? and how would I set the hard drive to cable select.
Thanks for your help
Blue

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Rid
Scratch the cable select bit, I just had a look on the web site, this could be the problem? as the jumpers are set for slave?
Blue
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Bluefishes,

you say: It was originally formatted using the maxtor software.

That may be a piece of software that runs in front of your old hard drive.  IF that piece of software is not ran, it may not see the drive partition at all..

It's called Ezbios or something like that.
This would have been implemented on the older system if you could not view the whole drive size.  You may want to check to see if that software is booting the drive up.  If it is, you will either need to rebuild the partion or reinstall the software...However you may not be able to recover the software contained therein by installing or reinstalling Ezbios.
rid

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1) Drives will bear a legend on a sticker showing all possible jumper settings, often called MA, SL, CS.

2) On one single IDE cable, the drives must be jumpered for either Master and Slave OR Cable Select, depending on the system used by the IDE controller/motherboard. Sometimes the setting can be adjusted in computer BIOS setup. A single drive on a cable can theoretically be jumpered for either master or slave, but there is no gain in confusing the issue. Set single drives to Master. Additional drives to Slave. Bootable drives should be Master. Setting a particular drive to the desired mode (master or slave) can be done by jumpering OR by placing it in the appropriate position on the cable, IF Cable Select system is used.

3) A drive that can house an operating system must be partitioned - even if it just one partition. (otherwise it could not be formatted). If a proprietary partitioning program has been used (Maxtor), surprises may pop up when you try to use the O/S (windows/DOS) standard tools.

4) If you boot the computer using a bootable win9X floppy, which can be created on any such running system, you will end up with a text mode prompt:
A:\>_
At this prompt, type the command:
fdisk
followed by [Enter]
Choose "Y" for large drive support, hit [Enter] again and follow the on-screen instructions, e.g. type in the option number you wish to use, hit [Enter]. Go back with [Esc]. In your case I suppose options #5 and #4 may be of interest.

Regards
/RID

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Guys,
As always kit is at home and I am at work, will try these options when I get in, off to Dusseldorf on Thursday so will be back in touch on Friday.
Thanks for all the help
Blue

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Check the original 6GB to see if it is jumpered for Master or CS. If it is CS, jumper the second drive to CS also. If the 6 is Master, set the other drive to Slave. I am assuming both are on the same IDE ribbon cable. There is also a small possibility that the cable is bad or that the power cable to the second drive is not fully seated.

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The first thing I would do is disconnect everything and see if the 6 Gig comes up and everything is fine, if so then we can start on the 15 alone and then slave it in. This way we will find if ez-drive is installed. I can never seem to get things working per the manufacturer's jumper settings, I try it and if it doesn't work then I experiment and they will work. :>)

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Just to eliminate any hardware problems, why not connect it to the second IDE connector as a master.

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The reason I provided the steps above is we need to know where we stand and once they put the 15 Gig in then we need to determine if it has a disk manager installed, IMHO. Really doesn't matter if you use primary or secondary IDE depending on what they have installed. :>)Dave

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Okay Guys final update.
Had no web access over the weekend so here goes.
First, Tried checking that the system was not running on cable select, the master drive was set as a master on both IDE ribbons. No success
Second, removed cd rom master on second cable and tried to run the 15gb drive as master. No success
Third, tried to reinstall ezbios on 6gb hard drive.No success
Fourth, downloaded lateset version of Maxtor Maxblast, which appeared to have different abilities, allowed me to install ezbios on 6gb master and hey presto all up and functioning.
I would just like to say thanks very much for all your help, and I will definitely be using this site again.
Regards Blue

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P.S  I guess wake up was on the button so !!!!!!!

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Just that I had an old vesion of Maxblast which would not install the ezbios so I had to download the lateset version.
WakeupSpecialist 1

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So why did i get a B?  If I was correct and "on the button"

Did I miss something here?


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Wakeup
I guess it could have been a A, But The old software didn't work and only by down loading the new stuff was I able to do the do. My you guys are Pickie :P. If it means that much and you tell me how I will happily give you all my points and never again darken your door.
Thanks for your help all the same. While your there I don't s'pose you have a good recipe for faitas?
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Blue
WakeupSpecialist 1

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no i was just curious why the B grade, if you say my answer was on the button...
you now explained it.

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