creating partitions to run Win XP and Win 98se

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I am running Windows XP on a new computer.  I have a scanner that connects via the serial port that is not compatible with Windows XP.  The questions I have are:

1.  How can I create a separate partition to load Windows 98 SE so I can boot to that when I want to use the scanner?

2. Can I create a NTFS partition for Windows XP and a fat 32 partition for Windows 98 (a little over my head)?

3. Once I create the partitions how do I dictate which partition I want to boot to?

4.  Anything else I need to know to accomplish what I want to do?

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Well since you already have XP installed you will need help from a third party partioning manager to do this.

PartitionMagic
http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic/
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Ranish Partition Manager
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Partition Manager is a freeware program that partitions hard disks. It will help you to install and dualboot Linux and multiple copies of Windows. For example, it will let you to run Win ME, Win 2k, and Linux on a single box. Also, using Partition Manager you can copy, move, and resize disk partitions.

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Now here is the problem since this will be on the same disk the C parition will also need to be FAT32 for Win98 to even install even though you can install it on the second partition. It is just that Win98 needs to put its bootfiles on the C partition and since it can't access an NTFS partition it won't be able to intall its boot files.

So what you can do is Convert the NTFS partition to FAT32 and then resize it so you can have a second partition for Win98. Intall Win98 on the second partition. After you have finished that then boot to the XP Recovery Console and run these commands

FIXMBR
FIXBOOT
BOOTCFG /rebuild

To start the Windows Recovery Console, use any of the following methods:
Start your computer by using the Windows Setup floppy disks or the Windows CD-ROM. At the "Welcome to Setup" screen, press F10 or press R to repair, and start the Windows Recovery Console.

if that does not give you a menu to choose which OS to boot from then do this.


Repair
How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade (Reinstallation) of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;315341

Visual aid to the above procedure
http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/repair_xp.htm
Click on How To Run a Repair Install
Have you got winxp cd and win98 cd? If so just reinstall both os. The easy way is that. Boot from win98 cd. and fdisk your hard disk. Make a fat32 partition and if you like another ntfs partition. First install win98. Then from win98 install winxp. Don't ungarde win98(it will ask you whether you want to upgarde or new install). Install as new install. But if you dont want to erase existing os... then do as Crazy One said.
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If you don't want to retain NTFS then resize the partition so you have two partitions. Next move XP to the new partition and then convert the C partition to FAT32 and install Win98 there and do what I outlined before to get the dual boot menu.

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Now if you want to start fresh do this

I have done both of these methods and both work just fine. My personal preference is METHOD 1 because it is easier and quicker and if you only have one partition and want to continue with using one partition then you don't need to repartition.

METHOD 1
Reformatting or repartitioning a disk deletes all of the data that is on the disk, so make sure that you back up your data before you reformat the disk.

Start the computer by using the Windows XP CD-ROM or the Startup disks.

When the Welcome to Setup screen appears, press F10.

In Recovery Console, specify the appropriate installation, and then log on by using your Administrator password.

Type map , and then press ENTER.

Note the drive that you want to reformat. The drive letters may be different in Recovery Console from what they are in Windows XP.

Type format x : /fs:fat32 or  format x : /fs:ntfs, where x is the letter of the drive that you want to format and FAT32/NTFS is the file system that you want to use, and then press ENTER.

Type y and then press ENTER to confirm your choice. When the formatting process is finished, type exit and then press ENTER, to restart the computer.

Manually Remove XP
http://support.microsoft.com/search/preview.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q314052
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OR METHOD 2
Boot to the Windows 98 boot disk. www.bootdisk.com

At the DOS prompt, type FDISK and select large hard drive support (answer "Y") and then remove the
non-DOS partition.

Reboot the system to the 98 disk again, but this time "with CD ROM drive support, and again load Fdisk. Again select large hard drive support.

Create a primary partition and make it active.

Reboot to the 98 disk again and then format the drive.

Now install.
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and then look at this link.
HOW TO: Create a Multiple-Boot System in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;306559

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CrazyOne-thanks for all of the info and the options.  I have just a a couple of follow-up questions for clarification:

-In your option for installing Win 98 on the second partition and converting the first to FAT 32, you say to run the following commands:

FIXMBR
FIXBOOT
BOOTCFG /rebuild

What do these commands do?

-if I choose the option of creating a second partition and moving the XP installation to that second partition, how do I do that?  Is it as easy as just moving every file?  And if I go that route, can I make that partition NTFS?

Thanks
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When you install Win98 after XP has been installed it will overwrite the XP boot sector there by elinating any possibility to boot to XP so

FIXMBR
FIXBOOT

Will rewrite the boot sector with XP boot loader.

BOOTCFG /rebuild

Will build boot menu and files so as to be able to boot to Win98 or XP via a menu.

>>>if I choose the option of creating a second partition and moving the XP installation to that second partition, how do I do that?  Is it as easy as just moving every file?

If you use Partition Magic it should help you in this. I believe it has tools built into it to move a partition. If not then use one of these.

Norton Ghost
http://www.symantec.com/sabu/ghost/ghost_personal/

Drive Image
http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/
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DrvClonerXP
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DrvImagerXP
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>>>And if I go that route, can I make that partition NTFS?

Yes

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very thorough

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:>)

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oops, just thought of one last thing.  Regarding the option of moving XP to a second partition, will it be okay that its boot files will reside on the second partition?  You mentioned that Windows 98 needs to have its boot files on C, so I'm not sure if the same is true for XP. (I hope you don't mind a follow-up after accepting your answer)

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Keep the

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on C:

Since you are moving XP you might end up having to this to get it all to work like should.

Repair
How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade (Reinstallation) of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;315341

Visual aid to the above procedure
http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/repair_xp.htm
Click on How To Run a Repair Install

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Thanks again!

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