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I'm trying to get a network setup at my parents business right now there is one win 2k server acting as the DC and 2 win98 and one xp machine they were using nt4 on the server, butI said I could get win 2k up for them, since next week we are going to be getting 5 more win xp pro machines on.  I installed win2k server(clean install mixed mode) and reset up the users.  Now the win 98 machines logon fine, but I can't get the xp pro machine to do it.  When I tried to logon to setup the network connection on the xp machine(just did a clean install) it setup the computers account on the DC, and I thought it logged in on my account, but it doesn't give me the permissions.  SO for some reason it doesn't recognize the server as a DC.  I'll post more if I can think of something, but otherwise let me know what question you need answered.

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by:fiveohhh
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heres some excerpts from another forum I posted on:

Did you actually join the domain properly with the XP machine? What exactly isn't working?

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Fiveohhh
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  02/23/2003 5:37 PM   (NEW!)  
             
 

i joined the domain using the the wizard under the computer name tab in system properties. I setup an account in win 2k with admin permissions. Than I log into that account from the win xp machine, and it takes about 1-2 mins to get to the desktop(p4 2.5 512 ram) and than I try to access the shares on the server and i get prompted for a username/pw. I put the username/pw for the account I set up and it says it can't find the DC. I've set up a small domain of my own b4, but they were all clean installs and I used .net server, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Seems that for some reason the XP machine can't find the DC
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  02/23/2003 6:14 PM   (NEW!)  
             
 

Slow logons and trouble finding the domain controller is ALWAYS a DNS issue.

Your active directory domain has to have a rock solid DNS before it will work properly.

Domains in Windows 2000 (active directory) are much different than domains in NT4. DNS is essential. If the DNS service is not properly configured on your DC, you will experience problems like the ones you have now.

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  02/23/2003 6:18 PM   (NEW!)  
             
 

Any Idea what it may be? It finds it sometimes, when I use the wizard to setup the connection. it creates the computer in the ad, but Its just really doggy. and once it finally logs on(which it doens't give me the permission i should have so I doubt it does log me on), its just as bad. And when i search the AD for a user i know is in it, it always tells me nothing found. any reason the win 98 machines log on fine, and the xp one's (i tried another for testing) don't..
 
 
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by:ComputerWiz
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Can you see the XP Pro on the network?

Double check your domain name

When setting up the network are you using the DC's administrator account and password first?

Can you ping the machines?

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by:Beerman
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Some things to check and questions for you:
Are you logging in to the local pc or to the domain?  If your logging in to the domain, it sounds like your logon was cached.  That would mean you had to have logged on successfully at one time, or it would say "no domain server available".  This almost sounds like a global catalog and/or dns server problem.  Is this is the only dc on the network?  If this is a default install of 2k and AD, I would then look at dns as stated above, since the domain master roles are all applied to the same dc out of the box in a single dc network.

Have you tried other usernames?  Any events being logged locally or at the server?
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by:fiveohhh
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I can ping the xp machine and the xp machine can ping the server, ping times are normal. It is the only server on the domain.  Domain name is correct.  NOt positive, but seems that randomly sometimes when I log in it says it can't find the domain 'TravelQuest' and sometimes it logs in, but it literally takes 3-4 mins to log in(and than doesn't give me the permissions I should have, thers nothing on the machine that would tell you that it isn't connected until you try to use something on the network and you get prompted for a username/pw).  the network was setup with the dc's admin username/pw.  I can log into the local machine fine, but logging into the domains a pain.  I've tried otherusernames and other P/w's with no luck.  I'm guessin its a DNS thing and going to work more on it tomorrow.  Let me know if you have any other questions.
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by:ComputerWiz
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Check your TCP/IP settings

Test by changing to 10T (go to Device Manager and click on the network card properties and then advance, it's the "linkspeed/.." property

Long network cables or bad cables can make the network behave like you described

Let me think about some other stuff on the prompting of user/pw thing

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by:lrmoore
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Have you enabled netbios over TCP/IP on the XP?


Enable NetBios over TCP/IP in WIndows XP
Step 1: Turn On NetBIOS over TCP/IP
Click Start, click Control Panel, and then click Network and Internet Connections.
Click Network Connections.
Right-click Local Area Connection, and then click Properties.
Click Internet Protocol (TCP/IP), and then click Properties.
Click the General tab, and then click Advanced.
Click the WINS tab.
Under NetBIOS setting, click Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP, and then click OK two times.
Click Close to close the Local Area Connection Properties dialog box.
Close the Network Connections window.
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by:jure_puhek
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This one is quite simple. When using MS NT OSes (NT4, W2K, XP) DC remembers machines SID number which is generated at first DOMAIN login. You should login as local administrator, put XP machine out of the domain, restart, put it back in as network administrator and with this generate a new SID number which will identify your XP to the DC. Ofcourse XP will generate a new profile. The look at web pages on how to migrate existing profile to a new profile (copyto etc..)

Hope this helps

Jure
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by:ViTaMiN
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are U using a switch to connect the pc's if so wich brand (for example cisco)
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by:fiveohhh
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Thanks for the comments will try them out tomorrow after work(2/25) when I go back to work on it.
Thanks
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by:Neb
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I had the same problem,
Havent got a firewall installed on the server or XP machine have you?
Unless you can configure them get rid of all software running firewalls,
Could test your DNS
download Windows 2000 support tools and try running DCDIAG and NETDIAG in the command prompt of the server.
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by:fiveohhh
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K heres a recap.  Just setup the win2k basically out of the box I believe from talking to some other people that it is a DNS issue.  When I look under the domain in the DNS admin tool.  There aren't any containers in it, and Someone said there should be a _msdcs, _sites, _tcp, and _udp in there.  Its kinda odd if I type in an invalid p/w or username, it tells me  That it can't log me in and to make sure the username/pw are right.  and when I type in a valid username/pw it logs me onto the computer(after a few minute delay)  but not on ethat i created on this computer it says it can't find the domain, and when I type in one that i used with this(the xp) computer. it logs me in real slowly and than doesn't give me any permissions.

Its kinda complicated, so please feel free to ask questions and I'll get them answered as soon as I can.  Just can't figure out why the win 98 machines can log on and get there permissions, but the xp one can't

as for the questions above netbios over tcp/ip is enabled
I've tried different cables and a laptop wireless connection, same thing happened
Using a 10 port linksys switch

Thanks for the help so far
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by:Neb
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You could check how you have configured your Zones?
Check the name. Has to be the same Domain name thats in \settings\controlpanal\system
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by:Beerman
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Try logging on as username@domain.com.  Otherwise I would delete all dns zones and then set up new forward and reverse lookup zones.  Make sure the zones are AD integrated, and enable forwarders to your isp.  Also make sure the clients are configured to use only your server for dns.  Test the dns, both simple and recursive (dns server properties-monitoring tab)
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Well I figured it out it was a DNS issue.  I deleted the zone and remade it, and I also had to set the server up to use itself for the dns and now its working.  Thanks for the comments.
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