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We have 15 AJP laptops running W2K Pro, which connect to our W2K domain running AD.

For some reason, when new users log on (ie. those that pick up the Default User profile), the NumLock key comes on, which is damn annoying as they can't type letters properly unless they switch it off.

Under HKCU\Control Panel\Keyboard\ I've set InitialKeyboardIndicators to 0 (and also set every occurance of the same key to 0), and have even tried copying the administrator account (for which the NumLock key doesn't come on) to the Default User account but no joy. I've also disable NumLock in the bios.

If its any help, the exact point the NumLock comes on is after logon where the dialog box "Applying personal settings" appears, which I guess rules out anything in the Startup folder or Run registry key.
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by:DanielTheManual
ID: 8024495
Also, I've tried adding a System variable (Under System Control Panel, Environment Variables) of Numlock with a value of OFF but no luck.
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by:DanielTheManual
ID: 8024633
Upon further investigation, it seems to be a domain issue (AD?).

The same thing happens on W2K workstations, but its only noticable on the laptops as they don't have a seperate number pad, and having the numlock on prevents users typing properly.

When logging in locally it doesn't happen, but when logging onto the domain, the numlock is coming on as you logon. I didn't think there was any way of setting the numlock status in Group Policy, and if there definately isn't, I'm stumped as to whats forcing the numlock on.
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by:Squire
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Hi,

You may find it would be solved by editing the domain policy file (ntconfig.pol) and adding in a custom .adm template file with this content:

CLASS USER
CATEGORY "Additional Extras"
CATEGORY "Set NumLock"
KEYNAME "Control Panel\Keyboard"
POLICY "NumLock on at Logon"
PART "NumLock on at Logon" CHECKBOX
VALUENAME "InitialKeyboardIndicators"
VALUEON NUMERIC 2
END PART
END POLICY
END CATEGORY

My guess is that even though you are setting the InitialKeyboardIndicators to 0, that this is being over-written at logon time. It would be worth verifying this.

Squire.
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by:MSGeek
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If it's not a group policy coming out it is part of the default profile.  Logon locally as the admin, turn off num lock if it is not already, copy profile over the Default User profile.  If there are any cached profiles be sure to remove them before you shutdown.
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by:DanielTheManual
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I had already tried copying the administrator profile over the default user, and logging on as someone with no cached settings, but still the number lock came on.

It only does it when I log onto the domain. We don't use ntconfig.pol, any policy settings are applied through group policy.
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by:DanielTheManual
ID: 8058137
I found a solution. I came across a program called NumLock (http://www.rjlsoftware.com/?numlock), so created a batch file which I put in the All Users start-up folder, which, along with an 'off' switch, pointed to the Numlock executable. This produced the desired result.

I think the NumLock status is stored in each users profile, and there wasn't any way I could change all our users individual profiles.

I'll get support to close this question.

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by:MSGeek
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Copying over the default profile will not work unless you delete the users existing profile and then log in as them and have their profile recreated.  A users profile is created from the Deafult User and All Users profiles at first login, after that it is cached.  SO after you coppied the Administrator profile over the default user, did you login with a username that did not already have a profile???
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by:DanielTheManual
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Yes, I had copied the administrator profile over default user and all users, and tried logging on as a user that hadn't previously logged on before, and it didn't work.

I did say in my comment dated 02/27/2003 01:32AM PST
that I'd tried it (except I omitted the all users part).

A users profile isn't created from the All Users profile anyway, that is applied to everyone regardless of whether they've logged in before or are logging in for the first time.
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by:DanielTheManual
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I have asked in Community Support for this question to be deleted or PAQ'ed.

My solution was as above:

I came across a program called NumLock (http://www.rjlsoftware.com/?numlock), so created a batch file which I put in the All Users start-up folder, which, along with an 'off' switch, pointed to the Numlock executable. This produced the desired result of turning number lock off at logon.

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by:MSGeek
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No objection.
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by:Svego
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Hi,

i know you asked for this one to be deleted or paq'ed but i could help giving you the URL to Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 170903
URL: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;170903
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by:DanielTheManual
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Svego, that was one of the first things I tried. If you read my original post, it says I changed InitialKeyboardIndicators to 0 where-ever it appeared in the registry (including under HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Control Panel\Keyboard
), but it did no good.
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hi there ,
any one found a solution for this mattar.
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