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XP Network problem has me stumped
Background here is I had a perfectly good working network with one PC on XP (the one with the ADSL modem) and Win 2000 on the other. Have now lost the Win 2000 machine and am putting on a new XP machine.
Problem has me totally stumped, but I hope will be something obvious to an expert. Will give all the info I can, hopefully not too much to confuse things:
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PC 1:
ADSL Modem & Network card.
Motherboard ethernet adapter - ASUS P4G8X.
Standard XP set up home network thing, except I changed the IP to be 192.168.0.1
ADSL card has these ticked:
Client for MS Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler
Internet protocol TCP/IP
Bridge (LAN) has the same as above but also file/print sharing
Only weird thing is the onboard network is found as two devices - a LAN card and something called "1394 Connection". XP then makes a network bridge for those 2. I have no idea what all that is about, but it was there and functioned for the old system, so what the hell. Any advice on how best to handle this one also appreciated.
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PC2:
Standard network card & XP setup.
Changed IP to be 192.168.0.3, Gateway to be 192.168.0.1 and prmary DNS 192.168.0.1 - because all that used to work
Network hard as all the items above ticked (i.e. MS net, file share, QoS, Internet protocol)
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What happens?
Both PC's can see each other, and the HDD's. Try and click on a network drive and everything sits thinking about it for ever (hourglass going) and doesn't come back.
What has me really stumped is that it even does it if you try and look at the HDD on the same PC as you are on via network places.
ADSL off the main PC works fine, can do all the usual Interweb stuff.
Both machines can ping each other. Both machines can ping to the outside world (i.e. second PC can see out through the main one)
BUT (and I think this is linked to the network drive problem .....
On the second PC if you use IE it will find the web site but then just sit waiting for a response. (Like waiting to list the files on the HDD I suspect).
It is not cables or network card hardware errors (I am pretty sure) as if I use the same cables and card in an old machine I had running Win 2000 the Win 2000 machine can browse the net etc.
One other thing ..... at one point I did have the two machines able to view the othger's HDD, but no longer. I did have a firewall installed but have taken it off completely (complete uninstall) to make sure it is not messing things up (no XP firewall on ADSL connection either).
Ok, can't think what else to add. Happy to supply more info where needed.
Thanks in advance.
*fingers crossed someone is going to say "you forgot to untick the <something-or-other> box, that'll fix it"*
Problem has me totally stumped, but I hope will be something obvious to an expert. Will give all the info I can, hopefully not too much to confuse things:
**************************
PC 1:
ADSL Modem & Network card.
Motherboard ethernet adapter - ASUS P4G8X.
Standard XP set up home network thing, except I changed the IP to be 192.168.0.1
ADSL card has these ticked:
Client for MS Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler
Internet protocol TCP/IP
Bridge (LAN) has the same as above but also file/print sharing
Only weird thing is the onboard network is found as two devices - a LAN card and something called "1394 Connection". XP then makes a network bridge for those 2. I have no idea what all that is about, but it was there and functioned for the old system, so what the hell. Any advice on how best to handle this one also appreciated.
**************************
PC2:
Standard network card & XP setup.
Changed IP to be 192.168.0.3, Gateway to be 192.168.0.1 and prmary DNS 192.168.0.1 - because all that used to work
Network hard as all the items above ticked (i.e. MS net, file share, QoS, Internet protocol)
**************************
What happens?
Both PC's can see each other, and the HDD's. Try and click on a network drive and everything sits thinking about it for ever (hourglass going) and doesn't come back.
What has me really stumped is that it even does it if you try and look at the HDD on the same PC as you are on via network places.
ADSL off the main PC works fine, can do all the usual Interweb stuff.
Both machines can ping each other. Both machines can ping to the outside world (i.e. second PC can see out through the main one)
BUT (and I think this is linked to the network drive problem .....
On the second PC if you use IE it will find the web site but then just sit waiting for a response. (Like waiting to list the files on the HDD I suspect).
It is not cables or network card hardware errors (I am pretty sure) as if I use the same cables and card in an old machine I had running Win 2000 the Win 2000 machine can browse the net etc.
One other thing ..... at one point I did have the two machines able to view the othger's HDD, but no longer. I did have a firewall installed but have taken it off completely (complete uninstall) to make sure it is not messing things up (no XP firewall on ADSL connection either).
Ok, can't think what else to add. Happy to supply more info where needed.
Thanks in advance.
*fingers crossed someone is going to say "you forgot to untick the <something-or-other> box, that'll fix it"*
Oh, and it might work better if you set the second machine to automatic ip address etc.(ICS works as a dhcp server)
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Running XP Pro.
Yes, both in the same workgroup. They can see each other etc (which is what I think workgroups do).
Drives are all set to be shared, yes (I assume you mean that).
What do you mean by strip out networking? I have uninstalled the adapters etc and then set them up again. Is that what you mean?
Thanks about the firewire tip, as yes, the MB has firewirs (not that I am using it) and I had no idea that looked like an ethernet adapter :)
Yes, both in the same workgroup. They can see each other etc (which is what I think workgroups do).
Drives are all set to be shared, yes (I assume you mean that).
What do you mean by strip out networking? I have uninstalled the adapters etc and then set them up again. Is that what you mean?
Thanks about the firewire tip, as yes, the MB has firewirs (not that I am using it) and I had no idea that looked like an ethernet adapter :)
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LOL, I cant spell sorry
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Ok, getting there, thanks guys ... but not quite there yet. I think, along the lines Tom was talking of, I am not just left with a DNS problem ... I think.
I did reformat, as I think it was tooooo twisted, and all I had was XP on anyway, I hadn't put anything else on at all.
Primary PC (with the ADSL modem): All good for internet AND can now see the HDD on the other PC.
I have sharing enabled for the actual ISP connection, not the ADSL ethernet card, which I think is correct as it is sorta working.
Second PC: Sees the main PC fine now :) I can ping through it from the DOS prompt to the interweb, using actual addresses (I mean www.something.com) and works fine.
Using IE I can get all the Microsoft sites *yawn* and some, selective, other ones. Tried a few local ones and some are super fast, some just sit there and never find it. Try with the main PC and they are there and working fine (i.e. it's not the sites down).
So I suspect DNS (he said, as if he understands).
Everything on the second PC is automatic now (i.e. IP etc).
I did try and add the ISP's DNS to both connections (it didn't seem to need it for main PC but I added it anyway). Made no difference. By this I mean I added it the TCP/IP, Advanced, DNS and in the "Append these DNS suffixes (in order)".
Closer than I was, have SOME web sites now at least *laugh*
Now what?
I did reformat, as I think it was tooooo twisted, and all I had was XP on anyway, I hadn't put anything else on at all.
Primary PC (with the ADSL modem): All good for internet AND can now see the HDD on the other PC.
I have sharing enabled for the actual ISP connection, not the ADSL ethernet card, which I think is correct as it is sorta working.
Second PC: Sees the main PC fine now :) I can ping through it from the DOS prompt to the interweb, using actual addresses (I mean www.something.com) and works fine.
Using IE I can get all the Microsoft sites *yawn* and some, selective, other ones. Tried a few local ones and some are super fast, some just sit there and never find it. Try with the main PC and they are there and working fine (i.e. it's not the sites down).
So I suspect DNS (he said, as if he understands).
Everything on the second PC is automatic now (i.e. IP etc).
I did try and add the ISP's DNS to both connections (it didn't seem to need it for main PC but I added it anyway). Made no difference. By this I mean I added it the TCP/IP, Advanced, DNS and in the "Append these DNS suffixes (in order)".
Closer than I was, have SOME web sites now at least *laugh*
Now what?
You need to put in the dns server addresses, not the suffixes.
The suffixes may limit your access, as you will be going via your ISPs network, I think.
Try removing the suffixes, and copy across the dns server ip
addresses from your main machine.
(you can find them using ipconfig /all)
The suffixes may limit your access, as you will be going via your ISPs network, I think.
Try removing the suffixes, and copy across the dns server ip
addresses from your main machine.
(you can find them using ipconfig /all)
apparently there are problems with ICS and AOL on xp:(
http://www.jsifaq.com/SUBL/tip5500/rh5507.htm
http://www.jsifaq.com/SUBL/tip5500/rh5507.htm
ASKER
Ok, problem turned out to the MTU setting, whatever that is.
Found a web page that described the problem exactly and showed how to fix it.
It is a known problem with XP and ADSL for ICS. It is a weird one that lets you ping anywhere and actually brows the occasional web site, such as Microsoft. The fix here worked perfectly.
Details here:
http://www.ozcableguy.com/adslxp.html
Thanks everyone for the help though :)
Found a web page that described the problem exactly and showed how to fix it.
It is a known problem with XP and ADSL for ICS. It is a weird one that lets you ping anywhere and actually brows the occasional web site, such as Microsoft. The fix here worked perfectly.
Details here:
http://www.ozcableguy.com/adslxp.html
Thanks everyone for the help though :)
ASKER
Thanks everyone. Can only give points to one person, but everyone helped.
oops, the aol xp ics thing was posted to the wrong question, sorry:)
not relevant.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=307736
It may be a permissions problem, are you runnning home or professional edition?
Are they both in the same workgroup?
Has the new machine the same name or ip address as the old one?If so change them both.
Do you have any drives or ports mapped?
Try opening a dos window and typing "ipconfig /all" on both machines, may give you some clues.
At the worst, you may have to strip out and reinstall networking