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Network: NetworkEvery DSL Router + G4 Desktop + iBook Laptop + Toshiba XP Laptop

All three computers can access the internet through the router, which is a DHCP server giving all three computers IP addresses.

From the XP laptop I can ping both the MAC computers (don't know how to ping from a MAC... how is that done).

The XP does not see either MAC in Network Neighborhood.

Neither MAC sees the XP in Network Browser.

Both MACs see each other and can share files, though I am suspicious that this is being done over the AppleTalk protocol and not with TCP/IP (though I forget why I have that suspicion).

How can I share files between XP and the MACs?
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Question by:gateguard
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by:gateguard
ID: 8051651
Slight Correction:

That's a "NetworkEveryWhere Cable/DSL 4-Port Router"
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by:weed
ID: 8053868
If the Macs are using OS X, turn on windows filesharing in the sharing control panel. If theyre running OS 9 youll need to buy Dave. If the Macs are running OS X 10.2.2 the windows share point will show up in the Connect To Server dialog box.
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by:gateguard
ID: 8054477
Interesting.

What about ping.

Is there a way to use the ping utility from a MAC?
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by:weed
ID: 8055422
Sure, if on OS 9 grab any of the network utilities from Versiontracker.com. Under OS X you can use the terminal or Network Utility.
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by:gateguard
ID: 8056844
I am running OS 10.1 (just installed it, upgraded from 9.2), but I can't find the Network Utility.  I can't find any utility.  I can read about utilities on the Apple Support website, but none of the articles start with the simple step of "how to open the network utility".
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by:gateguard
ID: 8056915
I am running OS 10.1 (just installed it, upgraded from 9.2), but I can't find the Network Utility.  I can't find any utility.  I can read about utilities on the Apple Support website, but none of the articles start with the simple step of "how to open the network utility".
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by:gateguard
ID: 8056933
I found Network Utility.  I could get to it all along through the help screen (they provide a link) but it doesn't say where it is.

I finally blundered onto it myself and have now kept it on the dock.

I'm a windows person, and I've got no gripe against MAC, seems to work well enough, but boy, all those friends of mine who say MAC OS is "more intuitive" than windows... I guess they just don't know windows very well.  Nothing is intuitive.  You either know it, or you have to learn it, and learning it means stumbling around, on either system, with help screens that either stay to simple (MAC) or say too much (windows) while not answering your basic question.

</end of rant>

Anyway, I upgraded to 10.1.  

But I still can't see my XP computer on the network.

I can ping it.

But I can't see it.
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by:gateguard
ID: 8057052
I found Network Utility.  I could get to it all along through the help screen (they provide a link) but it doesn't say where it is.

I finally blundered onto it myself and have now kept it on the dock.

I'm a windows person, and I've got no gripe against MAC, seems to work well enough, but boy, all those friends of mine who say MAC OS is "more intuitive" than windows... I guess they just don't know windows very well.  Nothing is intuitive.  You either know it, or you have to learn it, and learning it means stumbling around, on either system, with help screens that either stay to simple (MAC) or say too much (windows) while not answering your basic question.

</end of rant>

Anyway, I upgraded to 10.1.  

But I still can't see my XP computer on the network.

I can ping it.

But I can't see it.
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by:gateguard
ID: 8057179
I found Network Utility.  I could get to it all along through the help screen (they provide a link) but it doesn't say where it is.

I finally blundered onto it myself and have now kept it on the dock.

I'm a windows person, and I've got no gripe against MAC, seems to work well enough, but boy, all those friends of mine who say MAC OS is "more intuitive" than windows... I guess they just don't know windows very well.  Nothing is intuitive.  You either know it, or you have to learn it, and learning it means stumbling around, on either system, with help screens that either stay to simple (MAC) or say too much (windows) while not answering your basic question.

</end of rant>

Anyway, I upgraded to 10.1.  

But I still can't see my XP computer on the network.

I can ping it.

But I can't see it.
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by:gateguard
ID: 8057212
Something else worth noting:

I have 3 computers on this network:

1.  MAC G4, OS 9.2
2.  MAC iBook, OS 10.1
3.  Toshiba Notebook, Windows XP

The iBook can see the G4 and share files with it, BUT ONLY OVER APPLETALK, not Local Network.

All computers can ping in both directions, but nobody can access anybody over TCP/IP.  Only the two MACs can share files, and then only over AppleTalk.

Is it possible to install a netware protocol on the iBook, for possible communication with the XP computer?
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by:weed
ID: 8058704
10.2 is the first OS thatll show the XP machines in the Connect To Server dialog. 10.1 is quite old at this point.

The Network Utility is stored in your Utilities folder. Pretty intuitive.

You dont need any extra protocols on the iBook because OS X has native SMB support. In the help files find the part where it explains the method for connecting to a windows SMB share. You have to actually type the address out with the login/pass. The help files will give you the syntax.
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by:gateguard
ID: 8061178
So even though 10.1 doesn't show the XP machines in the Connect To Server dialog box, it is still possible to connect to them without "Dave"?

I am going to read the Help files you specify and attempt to connect per your instructions.
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weed earned 400 total points
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Yes, 10.1 can connect even though it doesnt show them in the window.

http://kb.indiana.edu/data/aklh.html
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by:gateguard
ID: 8128841
Sorry about the delay.  I got side-tracked and just got back on this.  

The Indiana link was perfect.  An exact step-by-step instruction.  The previous link you posted was also excellent in-depth reading.

Thanks much for all your help and I do feel like I've learned a bit about MAC in all of this, however, I must say, I stick to my earlier assessment that all the talk of "more intuitive than windows" is a bunch of malarky.    

I get this "more intuitive" stuff from some of my MAC-using friends, and I'm going to start pointing out one example to them:

The need to open a Classic Operating System when opening a Word document (created on 9.2) using the OS X operating system.

It would be like --- on Windows --- if opening an old Word document (created on Word 2.0, for example) while running XP and Office 2000 required you to open a simulated Windows 3.1 Operating System!

MAC is fine.  I've got no problem with MAC or any of it's fun-to-learn idiosyncracies.  And I wish all MAC users harmony and happiness with their machines.

But please, don't tell me MAC is "more intuitive" than Windows.  

We all like what we like and what we know feels most familiar.

In my judgement, MAC is definitely NOT more intuitive than Windows.


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by:weed
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You dont need to run classic to open old word docs if you have Word for OS X. Sounds like you're running some old software that still needs Classic.
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