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Installing second hard drive.
Hi All,
I have a system that has a 60GB Western Digital hard drive thats served me well. The other day i picked up a new 80GB Western Digital hard drive.
(system is a 1.8ghz, 256mb spec)
I physically installed it, set the jumper setting to slave, it`s connected to the primary ide (primary hard drive also on that) but its misbehaving. On the secondary ide are my two cd-drives.
Data is not transferring properly (if at all), and when using clone cd to create a disc image, it didnt arrive properly to the drive, files were missing.
Earlier today, a recycle bin - just like on the desktop - was in the root of this new drive. Upon deleting it, i even got the standard "deleting a system file" warning. Strange indeed.
Also, i can load scandisk but the second I click on the new drive (designated by the system as "D") then scandisk crashes!
I even got a scan32.dll error as well, which seems to have been very temporary as my pc is behaving fine on a reboot.
Any thoughts? Is it a problem my second drive is bigger than the first? Are there some golden rules I dont know about for installing second hard drives? Would it be some confusion that my drives have new designations (one of my cd-drives used to be "D:")
thanks!
I have a system that has a 60GB Western Digital hard drive thats served me well. The other day i picked up a new 80GB Western Digital hard drive.
(system is a 1.8ghz, 256mb spec)
I physically installed it, set the jumper setting to slave, it`s connected to the primary ide (primary hard drive also on that) but its misbehaving. On the secondary ide are my two cd-drives.
Data is not transferring properly (if at all), and when using clone cd to create a disc image, it didnt arrive properly to the drive, files were missing.
Earlier today, a recycle bin - just like on the desktop - was in the root of this new drive. Upon deleting it, i even got the standard "deleting a system file" warning. Strange indeed.
Also, i can load scandisk but the second I click on the new drive (designated by the system as "D") then scandisk crashes!
I even got a scan32.dll error as well, which seems to have been very temporary as my pc is behaving fine on a reboot.
Any thoughts? Is it a problem my second drive is bigger than the first? Are there some golden rules I dont know about for installing second hard drives? Would it be some confusion that my drives have new designations (one of my cd-drives used to be "D:")
thanks!
In other words you set the new one as the slave but did you speciically set the other disk to be the master. WD's can be very touchy about their jumper settings.
Also just for the heck of it run a diagnostic test on the drive.
Western Digital
http://support.wdc.com/download/
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Western Digital
http://support.wdc.com/download/
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Yup, the original is set as the master, for sure. Sorry, I had meant to say that.
I`m just trying some WD tools now...in the meantime any more thoughts would be appreciated =)
I`m just trying some WD tools now...in the meantime any more thoughts would be appreciated =)
I suggest making the second one the secondary master (move one of the optical drives to the primary slave) see if that helps
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I`ll try that tomorrow stevenlewis, it`s in the am here in the UK and i need to get some shut eye!
BTW i should maybe have said i`m using W98.
I used WDs tool, DLGDIAG 4.12 and did a quick and also a thorough check on the drive and all is well, no errors. Even rewiped and partitioned it using their tools but still acting a little odd. Scandisk refuses to look at it (via w98 start menu anyways).
I did just manage to transfer a large file however which is a first.
Tomorrow morning, i`ll recheck my hardware settings and check everythings fully inserted etc.
The drives are fully recognised in the bios etc also btw.
Thanks all for help so far, i will post again tomorrow when i have more info.
BTW i should maybe have said i`m using W98.
I used WDs tool, DLGDIAG 4.12 and did a quick and also a thorough check on the drive and all is well, no errors. Even rewiped and partitioned it using their tools but still acting a little odd. Scandisk refuses to look at it (via w98 start menu anyways).
I did just manage to transfer a large file however which is a first.
Tomorrow morning, i`ll recheck my hardware settings and check everythings fully inserted etc.
The drives are fully recognised in the bios etc also btw.
Thanks all for help so far, i will post again tomorrow when i have more info.
Hello...need a bit more info. Are both drives of compatible interface with each other and your motherboard?
Are they both say....Ultra ATA/100? Is one of them a 133? I don't know the WD makes a UATA/133 drive in those sizes but that could be something...also check for a nick in your cable to the new drive. And finally...what did you do to format the new drive?
Are they both say....Ultra ATA/100? Is one of them a 133? I don't know the WD makes a UATA/133 drive in those sizes but that could be something...also check for a nick in your cable to the new drive. And finally...what did you do to format the new drive?
If your running windows 9x or ME, you MUST format with FAT32. Partitions cant exceed 3 primary and 3 or so extended logical partitions.
If your using windows NT, you MUST use NTFS with no more than 3 primary and 3 extended logical partitions, 2000, or XP, you can use FAT32 if you like with the same partition info.
Since your system only has 256 RAM in it, you might be swapping to the HD too much and your system may experience a bit of data loss.
Check the motherboard manufactures website for BIOS updates as its possible your motherboards BIOS is corrupted or cant handle 80GB hard drives, what year is your computer? If its pre year 2000, you really should check for this.
Check Jumpers again, make sure the WD is slave and the other is Master, DONT USE cable select. Also make sure your using high density 80 wire and not 40 wire cables that aren't crimped or other wise damaged. A cable that is bent too much or is too close to the power supply (or other electro magnetic interference) will have read/write problems.
The final thought is that you should use Norton Disk-Doctor or other 3rd party disk software and perform a surface check of the disk to check for damaged sectors or tracks.
Good luck, and if you do all of these things and it still doesn't work, check the drive in another computer, try another device on that IDE channel, or replace either the HD or the motherboard.
If your using windows NT, you MUST use NTFS with no more than 3 primary and 3 extended logical partitions, 2000, or XP, you can use FAT32 if you like with the same partition info.
Since your system only has 256 RAM in it, you might be swapping to the HD too much and your system may experience a bit of data loss.
Check the motherboard manufactures website for BIOS updates as its possible your motherboards BIOS is corrupted or cant handle 80GB hard drives, what year is your computer? If its pre year 2000, you really should check for this.
Check Jumpers again, make sure the WD is slave and the other is Master, DONT USE cable select. Also make sure your using high density 80 wire and not 40 wire cables that aren't crimped or other wise damaged. A cable that is bent too much or is too close to the power supply (or other electro magnetic interference) will have read/write problems.
The final thought is that you should use Norton Disk-Doctor or other 3rd party disk software and perform a surface check of the disk to check for damaged sectors or tracks.
Good luck, and if you do all of these things and it still doesn't work, check the drive in another computer, try another device on that IDE channel, or replace either the HD or the motherboard.
BTW: use the start menus RUN option and type the command
dxdiag to get a full summary of your system, you can save this to a text file for review, printing, or email. You really should give people more information than CPU and RAM if you want them to help you. Give CPU, OPsys, RAM, MotherBoard, HD types / config, and the comptuers year of construction at least. Take care and good luck!
dxdiag to get a full summary of your system, you can save this to a text file for review, printing, or email. You really should give people more information than CPU and RAM if you want them to help you. Give CPU, OPsys, RAM, MotherBoard, HD types / config, and the comptuers year of construction at least. Take care and good luck!
I would try to verify that the new disk is working properly first. Try removing all drives except for a CD-ROM (slave) and the new WD 80GB (master on primary IDE) disk, make sure that they are on separate IDEs. Then run a scandisk and install an OS. If you run into any issues than you might have a bad disk. If you don't than it might be a configuration issue. I would also try testing your Mem. (It shouldn’t hurt, try this first).
Free Mem testers:
http://www.memtest86.com
http://www.simmtester.com/
Good Luck,
Free Mem testers:
http://www.memtest86.com
http://www.simmtester.com/
Good Luck,
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the 2 RECYCLED folders are for each drive. Windows backs up the stuff deleted on the first drive to its rubbish bin. and the stuff from the second to its trash can.
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http://www.dewassoc.com/support/bios/awardfaq.htm#Q5.7
Fat32 limits:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;154997
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184006
64GB limit:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q263044
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;263045
To check/review, (a) boot into bios and review its count of space on HDs. (b) Run fdisk, and see how well it counts. (c) Once Windoze is up and running, use it to assess size on the HD.
You only need one program to not handle the drive size properly, to get it in a shape that the other programs get lost as to how to manage it afterwards.
Fat32 limits:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;154997
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184006
64GB limit:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q263044
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;263045
To check/review, (a) boot into bios and review its count of space on HDs. (b) Run fdisk, and see how well it counts. (c) Once Windoze is up and running, use it to assess size on the HD.
You only need one program to not handle the drive size properly, to get it in a shape that the other programs get lost as to how to manage it afterwards.
Do be sure you've added the SP's and the patches/upgrades for the OS. Win98? Fat32? It was out before the drives increased so much in size. It can handle terabytes, but it has problems with geometries, hence the limits. Your cloner may also be vulnerable to the limit barriers, warranting an upgrade (if supported SW)..
Make sure your BIOSs hard drive configuration area is set to AUTO or if needed force it to use LBA mode in order to address the larger sizes of the new 80GB disk.
try don't use on the same cable, put the second one to second cable master,cd-rom all put to slave,make sure both cables is at least ata100,if one is cd-rw,put it to second slave.Goodluck my friend.
thecyke, have you had any luck on this problem?
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