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Reinstalling Windows95
I formatted my laptop and tried reinstalling windows95. Im using a set of floppies cause my cdrom doesnt work. Anyway, during installation using floppy disk 2, a window box appeared with a message windows upgrade check. It says to use this product i must own one of the qualifying products listed on the windows box. It wants me to insert the setup diskette of the prior product. My laptop has no accompanying CDs or floppies when i bought it from a friend. How can i solve this problem? A friend told me to just install windows98. But as ive said, my cdrom doesnt work. Thanks in advance for any help.
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ok james, i will try your suggestion. tnx.
Helps too if you increase the point value. anyways, try trekie's suggestion, although i think the win32.exe file needs to be a certain size. the problem you have is that you have an upgrade copy of win95. You didn't list what version it is, but I don't think they put any version after B on floppy. You can do 1 of 3 things. First, find a set of install disc's from 3.1..when setup asks for a disk, insert that one. 2) Find a full copy of win95 somewhere. 3)fix your cd rom or find someone who has an external drive that connects to your parallel port.
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tnx for your ur comment tqt169. I tried the suggestion of trekie. However, it could not detect win32.exe as one of the files of win3.1. Yes, im searching for someone who has an external drive that can connects to the parallel port so that i can even install a win98. But if i can find a way to reinstall win95 in my laptop, then win95 would still be fine with me
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haven't tried this but it may do the trick
Found at winmag.com in their tips sections
Upgrade Without Previous Version
If you're installing Win95 on a system without a previous version of Windows installed, Win95 asks you to prove you have installed a previous version of DOS or Windows. If you don't have your old diskettes handy, here's how to get around the dialog: Open Notepad and save a document as WIN.CN_ (the final character is an underline). Put your new WIN.CN_ file on a diskette-your boot diskette or Win95 Startup disk will do. When you reach the point in the installation where Win95 asks you to show it a prev ious version, put in the diskette with the WIN.CN_ file on it. The installation program will accept it as proof of a previous version.
Found at winmag.com in their tips sections
Upgrade Without Previous Version
If you're installing Win95 on a system without a previous version of Windows installed, Win95 asks you to prove you have installed a previous version of DOS or Windows. If you don't have your old diskettes handy, here's how to get around the dialog: Open Notepad and save a document as WIN.CN_ (the final character is an underline). Put your new WIN.CN_ file on a diskette-your boot diskette or Win95 Startup disk will do. When you reach the point in the installation where Win95 asks you to show it a prev ious version, put in the diskette with the WIN.CN_ file on it. The installation program will accept it as proof of a previous version.
a little more reading some places say put the win.com file on the floppy so make all these files and rather than copying to the C drive just leave them on a floppy disk and point the compatiblity check to this disk when it asks for proof surely one of them will work :>) good luck
James
James
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tnx james, I'll try your recommendations.
The easiset way to get your cdrom working is to use a win98 startup disk. You can have a friend who has win 98 make one for you. Here is how:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/usingwindows/maintaining/articles/004Apr/Startup.asp
Or you can download one from here:
http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm
Boot up with the win98 disk and select start computer with cdrom support.
Then you can launch win 95 setup from the cdrom and put in your previous windows cd when asked.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/usingwindows/maintaining/articles/004Apr/Startup.asp
Or you can download one from here:
http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm
Boot up with the win98 disk and select start computer with cdrom support.
Then you can launch win 95 setup from the cdrom and put in your previous windows cd when asked.
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Hey james it worked! tnx. I jsut copied win386.exe and win.com in c drive then voila! it proceeded with the setup. I dont which of these file did the trick. Anyway, i have another problem. Im already into the disk 10 and 11 of the setup disks i encountered copying file problems such as rasapi.dll, rnuthunk.dll, rnaui.dll, advapi32.dll and so on. I was already 82% complete with the setup when i exited. My question is, can i solve this problem by starting setup again? or should i first list down the files that could not be found in those disks or cannot be transfer to c drive then make a new copy of them from a win95 cd? Tnx again.
that very well may work just start setup again and dureing the install make sure it installs back to C:\windows (sometimes a failed install will want to go to something like windows.000 )
make a list of each file it cant read and simply tell it to skip that file then eather extract from the 95 cd or go here and download it
http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/index.shtml note these will be zipped so unzip on another comp before copying to this comp
also dureing the install when it says it cant read the file/disk you mite take the disk out and blow on it then reinsert it sometimes that helps
not sure how you are going to be able to tell where to copy these files too (most likely most or all will need to be in windows/system but a few may need to be just in windows not sure on this (guess you could copy to both :>) wouldn't hurt anything
make a list of each file it cant read and simply tell it to skip that file then eather extract from the 95 cd or go here and download it
http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/index.shtml note these will be zipped so unzip on another comp before copying to this comp
also dureing the install when it says it cant read the file/disk you mite take the disk out and blow on it then reinsert it sometimes that helps
not sure how you are going to be able to tell where to copy these files too (most likely most or all will need to be in windows/system but a few may need to be just in windows not sure on this (guess you could copy to both :>) wouldn't hurt anything
it mite also help if dureing the install choose custom install and uncheck everything (all the extras ) then maybe it will have a better chance of completeing the install afterwards you can install the extras from within windows and have a better chance of copying these files to there proper place
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tnx, i'll try them again.
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i did run setup several times but i still had problems win win_95 11.cab. So what i did was to copy one by one all the files that i skipped. Ofcourse i took note of the directory of where a particular file should be placed. I will let u know what will happen. Another thing, when i checked all the files in the c drive after setup, i noticed some files with .001/002 as their extension file. Are these files needed? Should i delete them. These files are setup4.001, lights.001, logger.001, paralink.001, setup4.002, wininit.001 and setup.001. Thank again.
not sure what those files are most likely left from some program you mite try placeing them in the recycle bin and if all runs ok delete later
first thought was check files but a search didn't turn up any of those so they must be from some program installed
first thought was check files but a search didn't turn up any of those so they must be from some program installed
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I copied one by one the missing files into their respective directories in the c drive. However, when i rebooted the computer, windows prompts me to go into safe mode. When i selected the safe mode. A windows protection pops out of the screen and tells me restart the computer. I did this several times and still nothing happens. What could be the problem this time?
think I now remember where i've seen those files before it was on a partial install of 95 in other words windows didn't completely setup that one disk that you have that the comp cant seem to read ...have you tried viewing that disk from another computer ? if you can see the files on the disk you very well may be able to create another disk from your 95 cd....possiablely just put the #11 cab file on a floppydisk assumeing thats whats on the disk...try to make the new disk just like the old give that a try and reinstall again is all that I can think of at this point......windows just simply didn't completely setup
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Ive already copied the #11 cab file to a new set of floppies (it took 4 floppies) and re-installed manually the missing files into their respective directories in the c drive. Is this ok or do i have to run setup again. Also, those files you mention which was created during incomplete install, can i delete them? Anyways, any suggestion to my new problem in which windows prompts me into a safe mode then after choosing safe mode it says windows protection error. that i have to restart the computer. Do i have to reinstall windows again? Thanks.
by installing this way and simply copying over the skipped files apparantly something is not clicking as far as the install and the install is not completely installing
the one floppy disk that the install had trouble reading can you view the files from another comp ? if so try makeing another disk just like it useing files from it if possiable and if not replace these files from the cd then reinstall again
think the problem is from an incomplete install apparantly it needs to fully install from the install disk and not skip any files (i'm assumeing it only had trouble reading just one floppy disk if more then one then try creating new disk for the ones it has trouble with when it says it cant find any certain file
the one floppy disk that the install had trouble reading can you view the files from another comp ? if so try makeing another disk just like it useing files from it if possiable and if not replace these files from the cd then reinstall again
think the problem is from an incomplete install apparantly it needs to fully install from the install disk and not skip any files (i'm assumeing it only had trouble reading just one floppy disk if more then one then try creating new disk for the ones it has trouble with when it says it cant find any certain file
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Ok, ill try your suggestion. I already copied disk 11 to a new set of floppies. I used up 4 floppy disks. Is this ok? If like during the install a certain file cannot be copied from the original disk, could i insert one of the new disk which contains the file. Anyway, I'll try to reinstall again when i get home and try your suggestion
yes that may do the trick good luck
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Got gud news. I finally completed the install. I just made a clean install. The old disk 11 cab just went through the install process with no problem. Now here's another problem, the computer did not detect the modem. my modem is flash 56 PCMCIA modem blaster, 56,000 bps from Creative. How do i go about this? also the ESS ES1688 Audio Drive and Cirrus Logic seems to have insufficient drivers. Where can i can these drivers? Can i load them to my laptop?
right click on the my computer icon and select properties in the device manager anything that has yellow astrics or is listed under other devices will need the driver updated simply double click on these devices and select update driver or reinstall driver then give it your driver disk if you dont have a driver disk you can download most any driver off the web go to www.google.com and type in the device name ie ess es1688 audio it will lead you to a place to download the driver
or you can go to google and type in the spec's of your laptop it will most likely lead you to the web site of the manufactor and under support it should give drivers for it
that modem may have to be installed manualy byway of the control panal / modem/ add / click have disk ... or if the disk has a setup program run it
or you can go to google and type in the spec's of your laptop it will most likely lead you to the web site of the manufactor and under support it should give drivers for it
that modem may have to be installed manualy byway of the control panal / modem/ add / click have disk ... or if the disk has a setup program run it
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ok. i'll search the web for the drivers. tnx
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I already found the driver for my modem and installed it already. I guess it was successful cause i heard a beep from my computer after i restarted it. James, how come i dont see the dial-up network property in my computer? and also no internet explorer. How can i use the internet? Can i access internet even if my audio and video drivers were still incomplete? I would appreciate any help. Thanks
windows 95 A version doesn't come with ie explorer :>) you will have to install it go to this site
http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/default.asp and download ie 5.5 and also download the latest DUN update (dialup networking )
Can i access internet even if my audio and video drivers were still incomplete? yes
I would appreciate any help. Thanks no problem thats what we try to do and am glad to do it list your video and sound info and i'll see if I can locate the drivers for you
that ie 5.5 download you dont have to download all of it (approx 45 mgs) just the basic program ie 5.5 outlook express go for the min download
also in the control panal / add remove programs/ win setup you can check there and see if there is anything else the install failed to install or that wasn't selected dureing install
http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/default.asp and download ie 5.5 and also download the latest DUN update (dialup networking )
Can i access internet even if my audio and video drivers were still incomplete? yes
I would appreciate any help. Thanks no problem thats what we try to do and am glad to do it list your video and sound info and i'll see if I can locate the drivers for you
that ie 5.5 download you dont have to download all of it (approx 45 mgs) just the basic program ie 5.5 outlook express go for the min download
also in the control panal / add remove programs/ win setup you can check there and see if there is anything else the install failed to install or that wasn't selected dureing install
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thank u very much for ur help. I have already found driver for the ES1688 audio drive form www.driverguide.com. However, im still searching for a driver for the display adapter from cirrus logic. My problem is what particular driver version i should use. As for downloading ie 5.5, i presume i would need more than 1 floppy. After downloading, can i transfer the file in a folder in my laptop then run it from there? Thanks again.
i presume i would need more than 1 floppy......that could be a problem the minimun download is approx 14 mgs so the floppys are out of the pic some programs/cd's have some version of ie on them so you may check some of your cd's for a version any version will get you on the net then you could upgrade if you want I guess that is the main thing you need right now is some version of ie in order to access the net ie 3.1 may be small enough to fit on a floppy not sure or even some version of netscape (adding software to a machine without a cdrom is a pain isn't it :>)
i presume i would need more than 1 floppy......that could be a problem the minimun download is approx 14 mgs so the floppys are out of the pic some programs/cd's have some version of ie on them so you may check some of your cd's for a version any version will get you on the net then you could upgrade if you want I guess that is the main thing you need right now is some version of ie in order to access the net ie 3.1 may be small enough to fit on a floppy not sure or even some version of netscape (adding software to a machine without a cdrom is a pain isn't it :>)
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You can say that again :). Anyway, i'll find cds that contain ie 3.1. How about win95b? u think it has ie 3.1? Another question is, when i run the audio driver from my laptop all i saw are the oemsetup and readme files. How can i install the driver? do i have to go to the dos prompt and install the files from there?
thats what 95b has is ie 3.1 the audio driver will have to be installed from within windows best to get online first and download the driver sounds as though you dont have all of it not sure about that
this utility may help you to download a file larger than one floppy disk can manage or rather it can split up a large file to several floppys
http://space.dolphin.free.fr/Windows/split.html
this utility may help you to download a file larger than one floppy disk can manage or rather it can split up a large file to several floppys
http://space.dolphin.free.fr/Windows/split.html
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I downloaded the audio and video drivers from the internet into a floppy and then run it in my laptop. I guess its not the right drivers or i installed it incorrectly cause nothing happened. Then this morning when i opened my laptop, it doesnt want to go into normal mode. It always prompts the safe mode even if i re-start the laptop. Could this problem due to my installation of drivers. Appreciate again for ur help. Thanks
when it prompts to boot in safe mode what does it do if you go ahead and select normal mode ?
they may have been the wrong drivers may just have to wait on those until you get the laptop online and can download directly to it (most video and sound drivers wont fit on a floppy so i'm inclined to think maybe its the wrong drivers right click on my computer select properties then in device manager click remove on the sound and video then reboot and see what it does
they may have been the wrong drivers may just have to wait on those until you get the laptop online and can download directly to it (most video and sound drivers wont fit on a floppy so i'm inclined to think maybe its the wrong drivers right click on my computer select properties then in device manager click remove on the sound and video then reboot and see what it does
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When i select normal mode, the laptop just reboots and prompts me again to go to safe mode. As you have said, i think i should wait until i can go online to install the drivers. But i have to go into normal mode first. I'll try to remove the drivers as you suggested. By the way i have already secured a copy of ie5 from a cd. We use winrar to split the files so it can be saved in floppies. Once my problem on "safe mode" is solve, i can try to install ie5 in my laptop.
at this url at the bottom there is a utility named msconfig.exe download it and follow instruction it will help in bootup problems such as this
http://www.micro-solutions.com/software_library/index.html
http://www.micro-solutions.com/software_library/index.html
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tnx james
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I downloaded msconfig.exe and place it c:\windows\system and run it. However, nothing happened. No activity whatsoever. I also remove the drivers i installed as u instructed, still my laptop won't go into normal mode. What's the next step? Could i just re-install win95 over itself? What do you think?
nothing happened hu ? start / run and type msconfig doesn't bring up a utility to disable startup items ? hummmmmmm should have not sure why that doesn't work yes a rerun over itself mite do the trick not so much trouble with 95 so give it a shot
dureing the install make sure it goes to windows sometimes a rerun will want to install to something like windows.ooo
dureing the install make sure it goes to windows sometimes a rerun will want to install to something like windows.ooo
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Thanks. I did a rerun and it went smoothly. Its back to normal mode again. However, another major problem occured. Yesterday when i open my laptop, it wont boot. Nothing on the screen. The indicator lights just keep blinking. U know, i experienced this problem before. What i did then was to open the cd-rom and as soon as it slides out, it proceeds with booting. What i noticed is that it takes a while before the cd-rom slides out. It seems stuck inside. Now, even if i open/close the cd-rom, the laptop still wont boot. What could be problem?
hummmm not sure on first bootup try just as it says starting windows 95 tap the F8 key then at the menu select safe mode check that utility startup cop (assumeing you installed it ) and uncheck all then try normal bootup whatever startup cop lists is not necessory these programs running in the background are not necessory
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Problem is nothing can be seen on the monitor display. Just black. The hard disk indicator light and power indicator lightis steady, it does not blink.
gosh I'm not sure what to tell you to try next :>) does this laptop have a port on the back to hookup an external monitor ? if so you maybe can try that just not sure if maybe your video card is acting up or the screen is or maybe this crazy thing has went into some sleep mode of some sort (the part about its done this before kinda suggest nuthin major is wrong but just not sure.....what about your pcmica modem is it plugged in ? if so try bootup without it plugged in
you may have to post this latest problem under the hardware topic area so some of those guys can help you with this one
you may have to post this latest problem under the hardware topic area so some of those guys can help you with this one
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ok. i'll try ur suggestions. thanks
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Hello again. Well, finally my laptop started to boot again. I dont know what happened. I just pushed my cd-rom and when it slid out, my laptop booted. Now my problem is (again, :)), that my laptop cant seem to detect my modem. I've already remove it during shutdown and re-insert it before turning on the computer but nothing happens. However, i noticed that everytime i enable the 32-bit support for PC card and tried to insert my Modem blaster flash 56k PCMCIA, the laptop reboots and goes into safe mode. It only returns to normal mode as soon as i removed the modem. I would appreciate again any help.
Bob I posted on your other question but the reboot when plugged in suggests wrong driver
be sure to do something about your two user accounts because if admin finds out on their own then they get riled about that sort of thing but it happens all the time someone without knowing creats a second account for some reason or another lost password or ran out of points :>) but in any case you can have only one just post in community support and tell them you acidently made two and to delete whatever one you want or rather dont want..
James
be sure to do something about your two user accounts because if admin finds out on their own then they get riled about that sort of thing but it happens all the time someone without knowing creats a second account for some reason or another lost password or ran out of points :>) but in any case you can have only one just post in community support and tell them you acidently made two and to delete whatever one you want or rather dont want..
James
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Thanks for ur advice. Your right its just accidental that i created another account. I have no bad intentions whatsoever. Just accidental.
So i guess i have to find another driver. If i remove n then insert my modem, should the computer detect it? Why wasn't it detected? Thanks again.
So i guess i have to find another driver. If i remove n then insert my modem, should the computer detect it? Why wasn't it detected? Thanks again.
I had an older laptop that would do that (reboot when modem was plugged in ) and it was the installed driver who knows Bob it may be the wrong one or just installed incorrectly or defective
If i remove n then insert my modem, should the computer detect it? ordinarly yes was this driver some kind of install program ? in other words when you installed it was it a setup type program or what post any info that the card says and i'll see if I can help find it
there may be an update or patch on the 95 update site that may help
post back to your other question this one is closed and the others cant see it and may have useful input
If i remove n then insert my modem, should the computer detect it? ordinarly yes was this driver some kind of install program ? in other words when you installed it was it a setup type program or what post any info that the card says and i'll see if I can help find it
there may be an update or patch on the 95 update site that may help
post back to your other question this one is closed and the others cant see it and may have useful input
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I guess it was not a setup type. What i did is click install modem and from the list of modems i selected "Creative" (my modem is modem blaster 56k pcmcia, manufactured by digicom, inc, a subsidiary of creative labs)then have disk then what port to instal it. (james, how will i know what port was my modem installed? or is it a PC card socket. This also confuses me cause i dont what slot was my modem installed). Thanks for ur patience with me, :).
this looks to be your modem http://www.americas.creative.com/support/files/download2.asp?centric=74&maincat=4&os=1&subcat=23
kinda thought it would be a setup program but apparantly not ok without the modem plugged in bootup the puter then after windows opens plug it in then go to control panal and click on modem let it search and then when prompted give it this driver and when it says what port just click on 1 or 2 usely dont make any difference if that dont work for you then list any info you can this laptop type /brand / s/numbers and lets see if we can find it on the web maybe they /manufactor offer the drivers for everything
there also maybe a patch or update for this (pc card ) at the win95 update site
kinda thought it would be a setup program but apparantly not ok without the modem plugged in bootup the puter then after windows opens plug it in then go to control panal and click on modem let it search and then when prompted give it this driver and when it says what port just click on 1 or 2 usely dont make any difference if that dont work for you then list any info you can this laptop type /brand / s/numbers and lets see if we can find it on the web maybe they /manufactor offer the drivers for everything
there also maybe a patch or update for this (pc card ) at the win95 update site
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Thanks. My laptop has no manufacturer name. It was made from Taiwan. I forgot the model #, serial number and fcc #. I'll let u know on my next logged in. In the meantime, i'll visit the site u suggested and try it on my laptop. Thanks again.
James