boot partition

I tried to instal w2k on my new MSI MS-6533E mobo and got the msg:
"Couldn't open the boot partition to check for a signature". The instal can continue but ended up not being able to boot up.

I have tried to fdisk/mbr successfully but it hasn't solved the problem.
The harddisk has been checked with no errors.

Any workaround?
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jhanceCommented:
Go into your BIOS settings and turn OFF "boot sector" or "virus" protection.
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simalaAuthor Commented:
Virus protection is disabled. And I can only find Quick Boot to disable. Problem remained.

The 1st boot device is CDROM then floppy then hdd0.

Previously I installed a multi boot of NW, w2k, and Mandrake successfully. I know the Grub is die hard to move.
So I tried to instal w98 notorious of destroying partitions to take over. But I failed this time.

Earlier, there were some other msg before I applied fdisk/mbr. They were:

Disk I/O error: Status=00000A00 (this one seems still there)

Failed to ArcRead the boot partition to check for signature.

The disk is 20G, used to have some bad sectors repaired before succesfully multi boot as mentioned. So it shouldn't be a problem.






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b_vishwajitCommented:
>>The instal can continue but ended up not being able to boot up.

Do you mean you are able to boot up the cd and install the os but unable to boot from the hardware?
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b_vishwajitCommented:
>>The instal can continue but ended up not being able to boot up.

Do you mean you are able to boot up the cd and install the os but unable to boot from the hard disk?
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loccCommented:
http://www.firmware.com/support/bios/hdclear.htm

Try to do this and install again.
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simalaAuthor Commented:
to b_vishwajit:

Yes, after the msg of "win will restart in 15 seconds", it can't boot from HD, and if the CD is still there, you will start from zero again.

to locc:
I will try. I saw the similar debug before in a chinese book.
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simalaAuthor Commented:
to locc:
tried succesfully but then when I typed "fdisk" the response was "no fixed disk present".
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b_vishwajitCommented:
Did you try "fixmbr" tool available with sin2k set up cd? If you havent. Then do this. Boot your computer from CD-ROM then enter the Repair mode. I think the set up asks you if you want to enter the repair mode. After entering reapair mode you will get the prompt x:\windows( which is command prompt). At command prompt just type "fixmbr". Then press the enter key. It will ask you for verification. Just enter Y  for yes. Then it after fixing the MBR it should say some thing like MBR fixed or new MBR written bla bla... Hope it works this time.
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b_vishwajitCommented:
>>sin2k
lol:) sorry win2k .

>>fdisk/mbr
fixmbr is different from this.
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simalaAuthor Commented:
to locc:
when I debugged I changed the "int 13" to "int 18" specific to my mobo. Still the same msg. of no fixed disk.

to b_vishwajit:
I will try
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simalaAuthor Commented:
Can I use that command to fix mbr which belongs to a hard disk of a secondary controller (from an active w2k hard disk under a first controller)? Like: c:\fixmbr d:
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WakeupSpecialist 1Commented:
Just because the bad sectors were removed by lowlevel format, does not mean that the drive is good.  I would run a diagnostics on the Hard drive to definitely determine if it has gone bad.  

www.maxtor.com
www.ibm.com
www.hitachi.com
www.westerndigital.com
www.fujitsu.com
www.seagate.com
www.samsung.com

try some of those sites there for some Hard drive diagnostics programs.
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ridCommented:
The fdisk "No fixed disk present" message is no good. I usually is hardware-related. You nee to see if BIOS can detect the HD OK, and at the right size. If not check all cables, jumpers and such and try detecting the drive again. If still no go, reset the CMOS memory and then go through BIOS setup thoroughly, ensuring that the IDE controllers are enabled etc. If this will not make your HD detectable, check the drive in another computer.

Regards
/RID
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loccCommented:
Are you saying the BIOS does not see the HD at all??  
After that debug script did you try booting from the w2k disk to install?
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tgtcat69Commented:
Disk I/O error: Status=00000A00

Thats not good..you've either got a bad mother board IDE controller or a bad hard  drive.  get a hard drive from somewhere that you can install 2k on.  if that works, fine you've got a bad HD. if not,get a new mobo.
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b_vishwajitCommented:
Give it a try. I think default for fixmbr is c: or the partition where your present win2k is present. But I think all fixmbr does is fix your mbr if it got corrupted. If fix mbr does'nt help then definitely it is some other problem. Hope fixmbr works for you.
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simalaAuthor Commented:
Hi All,

I will do more trial and error and get back to you. At the moment I have found the following:

1. The Disk I/O and the failure to check for a signature in the boot partition msg's are NOT for the harddisk but for the CDROM. They only appear when there is a bootable w2k cd -- straight after "booting from CD". So the said boot partition is the boot partition of the w2k CD, I believe. I will replace the cd rom to narrow the siege. That w2k cd works fine on old mobo, so I believe it is the problem of the CD drive (not new) connected to the new mobo. That cd drive often fails to read files on the w2k cd which actually gives me no error while on the other cd drive. So it is not a cd problem but a cd drive problem.

2. If there is no CD, then there is no the above mentioned msg. I had tried a HD with w2k (installed on the old mobo) to be inserted to the new mobo , though the boot stopped somewhere due to its being installed on a different mobo, but it is a proof that the new mobo has no problem to let it boot up to a stage under the w2k logo -- there is no "boot failure, pls insert system disk" msg.

3. I tried to install w2k on an old mobo only up to the first restart stage and then inserted it to the new mobo. It refused to boot (but no disk I/O, signature stuff msg). However, this can't be used to prove that the new mobo has a booting problem. Though my "clever" intention is to try a relatively "mobo independent" installation to check the booting capability of the new mobo.

4. My apology to locc. Later I found that the reason I got no access to fixed disk was because I forgot to switch on the mobile rack key. After I switched it on, the msg was sth related to not being able to read a fixed disk -- this is because I already format the hard disk into NTFS so you can't use fdisk to deal with it.
answers to your:
Are you saying the BIOS does not see the HD at all?? No, bios can see it.  
After that debug script did you try booting from the w2k disk to install? Yes, but it failed. Let me check out this by replacing the CD ROM and then get back to you.

5. to Wakeup. Thanks for the urls. But this particular harddisk had been successfully used for multiboot 3 OS's just before this. And as I said in point 1, maybe the problem is with the cd rom drive.

6. My cheap ISP account only allow me online from 2am to 3pm Melbourne time. Pls be patient and thanks a lot for your attention.
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simalaAuthor Commented:
There is a similar discussion here:
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win2000/t1044398339
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WakeupSpecialist 1Commented:
I hear ya simala, but as suggested, doesnt hurt to test it out.  Just because it worked 5 minutes ago, doesnt mean it still works now.  And some of the drive diag softwares run a 90 second test or something.  Like Maxtor's tools has a 90 second test.  
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loccCommented:
If it doesn't work from the w2k cd, I would try the making boot floppies from the w2k cd.  I recieved that similar message and I used the boot floppies and it worked.
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b_vishwajitCommented:
Hi simala,

           I am posting a link here. Read it thoroughly and carefuly. It is the same problem and a solution has been sought. http://www.tek-tips.com/gpviewthread.cfm/qid/439080/pid/751/lev2/66/lev3/68

http://www.tek-tips.com/gpviewthread.cfm/qid/439080/pid/751/lev2/66/lev3/68
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simalaAuthor Commented:
Hi All,

I replaced the CD drive and my guessing of sth wrong with CD drive was proven wrong. The same "disk I/O error" and "ArcRead...signature" remained.

Because I couldn't wait, I chose another HD which the new mobo accepted with no error msg and successfully installed w2k. This proves that so long as the HD is accepted then the new mobo has no problem with the installation.

However, the problem here seems as if to the same hard disk: one mobo's meat is another mobo's poison. The rejected HD has no problem NOW (not 5 minutes before the error msg) ON OLD MOBO proven by my having successfully reinstalled OS after rejected by the new mobo. And there is another HD which is working on old mobo also being rejected like that (NOT even boot a-third way thru and then blue screen because of being installed on a different mobo problem)

I will test and digest what Wakeup, locc, b_vishwajit told me and get back to you. Thanks!

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simalaAuthor Commented:
Hi All

1. PowerMax tried and the HD as expected passed thru the quick test.

2. The suggestion of using a floppy boot disk from locc I haven't tried (see if I can find another HD to try). Did you boot with floppy and then type "setup" to instal and it succeeded?

3. At the moment my dummy approach is to install w2k on old mobo first (not just up to the first restart, but a totally finished installation) so that there will be no 2 error msg related to disk I/O error and boot partition signature (but will stop under w2k logo a-third way thru with virus related error msg) and reinstall w2k on new mobo.

4. Last night I installed Redhat8 using HD (also having been given the 2 error msg by the new mobo) on the new mobo. It is not bootable. I need to rely on floppy. Yet I still can't judge whether it is due to  misplacing root mount on extended partition or else.

5. About not setting the jumper as Master but as Single in http://www.tek-tips.com/gpviewthread.cfm/qid/439080/pid/751/lev2/66/lev3/68. I am using a HD and a CD drive, is it Single?
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WakeupSpecialist 1Commented:
It is single if the drives are hooked up on different IDE channels and cables.
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simalaAuthor Commented:
Then it is not single, because the cd drive is on the same controller with the hd.
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simalaAuthor Commented:
I also tried to instal Red Hat8 on new mobo. It always ends up not being able to reboot (but not showing 2 error msg mentioned before)without floppy. I tried boot advanced options of MBR or 1st section, lilo or grub, even LBA.

What's more, just to prove the hd itself is ok, I inserted it onto old mobo after failing to reboot on the new mobo, and it could boot (i didn't check to the end, but at least it was ok up to the lilo or grub screen and started to boot a few seconds)while on new mobo, it simply said "unbootable disk".

The hd is 8g Quantum CR.

There must be a bug in the new mobo.
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luismmartinezrCommented:
Hi simala: would you mind to share your last findings about this problem? Tx
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simalaAuthor Commented:
luismmartinezr:
I will tidy up and get back to you within days.
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WakeupSpecialist 1Commented:
simala,  

very well could be a bad motherboard.  check and see if there is any warranty left on the motherboard and get a replacement or send it back in for RMA...
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simalaAuthor Commented:
The MSI mobo is designed for w98se, me, w2k, xp only. Not for NT4 and W98. Here are the latest findings:

 You still can install w98 but with some troubleshooting. Recently I managed to run w98 on it. Forget USB2.0 though, it is beyond w98; just disable it in System. You can rely on its mobo utility CD for most of the drivers (THOUGH not using the designed “one click” solution, you have to lead the ass h/w wizard to one directory on the mobo CD after another) but the Realtek AC97 built-in soundcard (its drivers found in gigabyte website. The mobo CD driver for w98se can’t be accepted by w98). But don’t use the mobo CD for detecting MPU-401 compatible audio device, just let w98 CD detects it and don’t try to upgrade it using mobo CD otherwise you will make it worse. No bad mark on my System now apart from the USB2.0.

 Even if you instal w98 on other old mobo, you can migrate the HD to this mobo. No booting problem for w98. Of course, all the hardware will be redetected, but it won’t create blue screen of death.

 You can’t install NT4 on this mobo, simply because you can’t install it straight to SP3 or above in one go. I don’t know whether you can Ghost it to SP3 or above. So this mobo can’t accept ntfs prior SP3.

 If a certain HD is somehow rejected for w2k installation on this mobo, just install it on the old mobo to make it bootable on the new mobo so that you can do the w2k fresh installation (not just hardware redetection which in w2k case will bring blue screen of death after your “successful” h/w redetections).

 One problem I can’t troubleshoot is that if you install Red Hat, even if you set to boot from HD, it can’t. You have to use floppy to boot. Just this boot problem exists, otherwise fine.
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simalaAuthor Commented:
Ignore those &#61623, they are mutants of bullet points.
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scorellisCommented:
I'm having this same trouble with an old Compaq PIII that I am trying to upgrade to 2000.  It had WIndows NT on it previously.  I've flashed the BIOS, I've replaced the Hard drive, I've tried booting off of floppies (that failed on disk 3).  

TO make a long story short, I reformatted the HD with FAT32 instead of NTFS, now it tells me "NTLDR is missing"

This is the nuttiest windows install I've ever done.
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