Copying CD's

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When i try and copy a CD with a game or software such as Encarta, and then i try and use the copied CD it doesn't work. I know that these kind of CD's have hidden sectors, etc. Is there a software that will make an exact duplicate of the original CD?
I need the same CD for home and when im at the office and i would rather not have to carry the CD around with me all the time.
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Well, this violates some licensing ....but I'm sure you'll have an explanation for this so....
you could use Virtual CD or any other CD emulator
http://www.virtualcd-online.com/vcd/apps/download/demo.cfm?lg=0
or do a google search with "cd emulator download" string and you'll find plenty of.
It will read an exact image of the cd on the hard drive and will create a virtual CD-ROM on your computer where you can mount that image and will act as the original CD.
"Daemon tools" do the same thing with different type of CD images , creates as many virtual devices you need.
CDWriting software can be used too for creating CDimages files.

Good Luck
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Making a backup of a CD you own ought not to violate any laws, although it might be harder than you think.
See http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq02.html#S2-4-1
I haven't found M$'s cd's particulary hard to backup, although I haven't looked at Encarta.
CloneCD is well regarded amongst the gamers... take a look
http://www.elby.ch/en/products/clone_cd/index.html

Adrian DobrotaNetworking Engineer

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chicagoan....he doesn't want to make a backup of a CD.
He wants to copy an image on the hard-drive and use it there. Installing in different locations from the same CD and avoiding the media authenticity check by using virtual CDs is not quite legal AFAIK.
You are right about CloneCD, as I mentioned, every CDWriting software can create images. If you really want a protection cracking product add to CloneCD the "Clony" packet and you'll have a protection cracker to envy.
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If you bought the software it's 'legal' although the license may prohibit you from making copies.
That's a pact between you and the vendor.
Until you distribute a  copywritten title, you're outside criminal territory.
I don't have any ethical qualms about backing up media for a title I paid for.

<rant off>

take a look at http://www.afterdawn.com/software/cdr_software/cdr_tools/daemon_tools.cfm
Adrian DobrotaNetworking Engineer

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I took a look. It's daemon tools, a product I reccomanded. :>)  maybe there wuz something on that page I should have read and missed...can be.
Again, I keep my opinion that it's not quite legal to install from the same CD on multiple computers, but since I provided a way to do this, that means I consider it "moral".
Anyway...I have no right to comment .... you should know how I earned my money for 2 years in a row .... ;-)   ...don't ask. .... I still have a file at police.  :>)
M$ OS media will always copy ok as it is a necessity to make backups. The more 'Retail' like media (Encarta) usually is protected.

Most protection technologies (like SafeDisc & SecuROM) encrypt the main executable using a key, this key is then added to the disc as a digital signature. A software loader program is added to read the digital signature, extract the key and load/decrypt the main executable. Here's an list of all the different commercial protection systems:

Alcatraz
CD-Cops
CD-Protect
CopyLok
CrypKey
DBB
DiscGuard
FADE
HexaLock
LaserLock
LockBlocks
Phenoprotect
ProtectCD
Ring PROTECH
Roxxe
SafeDisc
SafeDisc v2
SafeCast
SecuROM
SoftLock
Star Force
TAGES
The Copy-Protected CD
The Bongle

I have used Clone CD for years and it is a very good program, but recently I found a new program that has surpassed Clone.

Alcohol 120%

The Virtual drives it creates are even more versatile, for burning the media images to CD/DVD or you can run them at 200x speed from up to 31 virtual CD or DVD drives. Applications are also available that will detect the protection system on your media, and now you can purchase protection systems to protect your own productions.

I studied Protection systems for three years, mundane stuff. Hope this helped..

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I've used Clone for a while and the only CD it couldn't backup was Hotel Giant...

I'm interested in the protection systems you mentioned iin the last paragraph. Please could you email me some details? spambust@ictis.net

alcohol 120%

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Alcohol still can't backup Hotel Giant! :-)

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The part of the EULA that is being violated is the "one disc, one computer" section. You can make a backup copy, but that does not give permission to use it on two computers, althoght some will permit a desktop and a portable to share the same authentification code, but not two desktops or two portables.
It's not the COPYING that violates the EULA, it's the USE WITHOUT LICENSE.
Operating systems are licensed per machine, some other software (i.e. Office) allows you to make a copy and use it on your laptop.

here's an exceprt from M$'s EULA:

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A VALID EULA FOR ANY "OS PRODUCT" (MICROSOFT WINDOWS 98, WINDOWS ME, WINDOWS NT 4.0 (DESKTOP EDITION), WINDOWS 2000 OPERATING SYSTEM, WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL AND/OR WINDOWS XP HOME EDITION), YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO INSTALL, COPY OR OTHERWISE USE THE OS COMPONENTS AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS UNDER THIS SUPPLEMENTAL EULA.

Capitalized terms used in this Supplemental EULA and not otherwise defined herein shall have the meanings assigned to them in the applicable OS Product EULA.

General. The OS Components are provided to you by Microsoft to update, supplement, or replace existing functionality of the applicable OS Product Microsoft grants you a license to use the OS Components under the terms and conditions of the OS Product EULA for the applicable OS Product (which are hereby incorporated by reference) and the terms and conditions set forth in this Supplemental EULA, provided that you comply with all such terms and conditions. To the extent that any terms in this Supplemental EULA conflict with terms in the applicable OS Product EULA, the terms of this Supplemental EULA control solely with respect to the OS Components.

Additional Rights and Limitations.
*If you have multiple validly licensed copies of the applicable OS Product(s), you may reproduce, install and use one copy of the OS Components as part of such applicable OS Product(s) on all of your computers running validly licensed copies of the OS Product(s) provided that you use such additional copies of the OS Components in accordance with the terms and conditions above. You may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of the .NET Framework component of the OS Components to any third party without Microsoft's prior written approval. Microsoft retains all right, title and interest in and to the OS Components. All rights not expressly granted are reserved by Microsoft.

I fifth the alcohol 120% idea, that is by far the best CD copy program available.
Hey ictis, just a quick note about your failure to backup 'Hotel Giant'. I don't mind the 'Sims' style games, so I have been and purchased 'Hotel Giant'. Using the latest version of Alcohol 120%, creating a virtual image; using the Alcohol virtual drive and then burning from the virtual drive to the cd. I was able to make a backup, no problem, a complete backup... (SafeDisk V2 Protection)..

It could be your technique ?   Keep trying....

Oh, and its not a bad game. I have kept the orginal and filed my backup.
If its good enough to Play, its good enough to Pay.

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I work the other way round - file the origianl and use the abckup - that way the original is always used least and is ultimately more reliable for further backups .. however, HG is still causing problems!

Using 1.4.6.711 created image file using SafeDisk2, mouted it on the vurtual drive then copied virtual drive to a blank CD - no go! It will install OK, but when I come to play, it hangs and I have to reboot the machine to get the disk out!  I always seem to gat an error messages when reading the disk:

Read Data Examination Error at 178729... then it continues to make the image file...

Happens every time!

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