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I've been wondering about the way the dsl modems work in terms of protocols.
Since, I could not find much of documentation on this:
What protocol is used for the connection between the pc and the modem?
 
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by:qwaletee
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The PC and modem typically connect over Ethernet. Some modems that offer a USB option connect via USB, with the PC thinking that at the other end of the USB cable is an external Ethernet adapter.
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(That's technicaly 10Base-T -- 10 mbit Ethernet over twisted pair wiring.  It could use 100Base-T, but since all DSL modems are slower than 10 anyway, they don't bother putting in 100-capable hardware for the PC connection.  All current Ethernet cards for PCs are 10/100 autosensing, so that is not a problem.)
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by:sinexec
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May be I did not word my question clearly.
Ethernet is a layer 2 protocol, but what protocol is used for the communication between pc and modem over Ethernet.
It does not seem to be IP, since the modem's ip-address does not appear to matter - the communication still takes place. Or I am wrong?
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Ethernet is not a protocol, it is a set of standards:

"802.3 - Hardware standards for Ethernet cards and cables
802.5 - Hardware standards for Token Ring cards and cables
802.2 - The new message format for data on any LAN
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You are either using TCP/IP  or netbeui (which is a broadcast protocol) if you are using windows machines, appletalk if macs or spx/ipx if novell.  

Given your comment on the modems ip address, I would bet that you are using netbeui.
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There are lots of different setups.  PPPoE (guess which protocol!) will work differently from static.  I have seen static setups where the DSL modem was an IP router -- and others, where it was not.  USB will obvisouly use the USB driver.

With the exception of PPPoE, the PC really does not know anything except for IP/ARP addressing.  If the modem has an IP on teh smae subnet, then the PC will use it as a gateway.  if it does not, then the mdem is acting as a bridge, and the PC is still just putting out IP.ARP packets, with the bridge picking up the gateway-bound packets and forwarding them on via the ATM DSLAM connection.
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Thanks. I've had PPP over Ethernet in my mind, but I wasnt sure...
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