Imaging netware

Hi, we are having great difficulty imaging netware servers, we are a training company so we have many diffenrt configurations , and imaging is an obvious choice.

NSS partions are a particular annoyance, currently looking at port look  but has not been too sucsseful so far.

does anyone have any experience of imaging netware 5/6 with nss partions ?  or other automated ways of setting novell servers up.

Thank you
mhamerAsked:
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PsiCopCommented:
We had some luck with older versions of Ghost - say around v4. The trick is, of course, to just boot up to DOS and copy the whole NetWare partition as one unit. This can be tricky, as you have to have writeable media handy that's large enuf to handle it.

Another idea is to use 2 HDDs, mirror them, then break the mirror before class starts. After class is done, wipe the drive then boot up on the mirror and restore the mirroring - it will rebuild the wiped drive with an exact copy of the server as it existed before the class started.
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mhamerAuthor Commented:
like the mirroring idea  but we have just over 30 differnt "images" of netware bit too unruly,   I think portlock is or was ghost for netware i'll try an old version see what happens but i think i read there are issues with NSS and then there is the img files to think of.
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PsiCopCommented:
What about ZEN for Servers?
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ShineOnCommented:
Also check into ServerMagic.  I'm pretty sure it has a NetWare server imaging piece that might serve your purpose.
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DSPooleCommented:
you can image NetWare volumes but I recommend NOT imaging the SYS volume or a NetWare server as a whole.  Reason:  Directory Services

That should be enough reason not to image a NetWare server to expedite installation of a new server.
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ShineOnCommented:
Ah, but they want to expedite recovery of a training platform.  The NDS piece is an issue, but it should be a side issue for them...
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PsiCopCommented:
Yeah, if they are restoring differnt server configs in different trees, I don't see that NDS is an issue with which they should concern themselves.
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ShineOnCommented:
If NDS IS an issue, they should image a server WITHOUT a replica.  That way, after recovery, it can be added to the tree much faster.
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PsiCopCommented:
And there's always the option of pulling DS off before making the image, and then adding the server to the tree as needed when they bring it back up.
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DSPooleCommented:
there ya go!

however, how many sysadmins visiting EE for advice would think of using NWCONFIG to yank Directory Services OFF the server?
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ShineOnCommented:
Us three?
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DSPooleCommented:
"visiting EE *FOR* advice" - we tend to give more than we get ;)
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ShineOnCommented:
True, true...
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PsiCopCommented:
Most sysadmins prolly wouldn't think to pull of DS, because they've been brainwashed by M$ that a server has to be installed from scratch to host directory services and removing those services requires a complete rebuild. Folx don't know that NDS is so much better than ADS.
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mhamerAuthor Commented:
Hi, thanks but...


The situation is i need to set up rooms with upto 12 differnt novell servers, some using clustering some with group wise , differnt users , trees etc etc soem with differnt file systems.

imaging is the quickest way to set theses up (each week) as we do for microsoft and unix courses) but novell keeps falling over and i was wondering if anyone had found software that imaged novell effectivly.

I have scirpted installs that can set servers up with out intervention etc but theses still take an age.

none of the software so far mentioned can image a complete novell 6 server setup and let me use it on another (similar) machine  
all have problems with NSS partions, do you know of anything that deal with them..


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ShineOnCommented:
How about backup software?  You could back up to a sufficiently large NAS device and restore from there.  That should go fairly quickly.
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DSPooleCommented:
Image a NetWare server (including NSS volumes):

http://www.portlocksoftware.com/products/stormgr/index.htm
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ZENworkerCommented:
I’d look at using VM Ware here. If you got the equipment and the bucks you can turn around your environment immediately. I don’t know if you can do a cluster though. http://www.vmware.com.  At Brainshare 2003 there was a CNI session that may help to review. It was TUT 271 and you can find the archive here: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/zenworks/features/a_brainshare03_zen.html

ZENworker
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