Specific RedHat question


I just received an email about RedHat discontinue maintenance and errata support for RedHat Linux until version 9.0.

I just wondering what will you do with your existing RedHat installation in your server? Will you change it to RedHat Enterprise (buy)?

Please give any inputs because I dont want my server to be outdated (later) without RedHat support.

I assumed that later I have to recompile all updates, because there will be no RPM update from RedHat.
Will this be compatible? RPM and source, because I dont so :( ... directory location, compile options, etc.



Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer.

This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming
discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your
migration to another Red Hat solution.

As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and
errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December
31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for
Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release
another product in the Red Hat Linux line.

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I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm migrating all of my RedHat servers to Enterprise 3.0 ES. That's partly to ensure the continued availability of errata updates via up2date and partly for performance considerations and stability. What I've done with 3.0 ES so far shows it to have noticeably better performance than RedHat 9 on a given hardware platform. Migrating to 3.0 does mean some additional yearly cost over and above what we've been paying for the up2date service, but given the overal quality & performance of 3.0 we feel the cost to be justified.

There's nothing that says that you can't continue to run 8.0 or earlier (or after April RH 9). It just becomes your responsibility to track security disclosures and deal with them via builds from source or finding an RPM that incorporates the fix. That's not something that I'd want to do as the labor cost for a single vulnerability could easily exceed the yearly subscription fee for 3.0 ES.

If you want a free "RedHat" Linux you'll be able to have that under the Fedora project (http://fedora.redhat.com/). It's geared more to the casual desktop user and will tend to track the "latest & greatest" pacakges. Enterprise Linux is aimed at servers where performance and stability are more important.

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Fedora seems to be the continuation of RH (there is a massive /. discussion going on at the moment) but I really wonder what will happen to them when Redhat pulls the funding.

I have a mixture of systems at home and in the office, ranging from Redhat 7.1 to 9, Suse 7 to 8.2 and (shudder) SCO Linux 1.0 (fairly enough, it is a Suse apart from the price tag).
I intend to upgrade Redhat 7's to Suse 8.2 but I will not modify my Redhat 8 & 9 for a while. They perform internal tasks and never try to fix something that ain't broke.

It depends... Do you really need the paid support? For years I never needed paid support for Linux, community is great and large and always comes up with some solution, eventually. Discussion boards like this also helps a lot.
dudupAuthor Commented:
Well, I dont need paid support actually. But I am also not an advance user. I really depend on up2date for RedHat right now. I use RPM a lot for all my servers. And at this moment, I cant afford to buy RedHat 3.0 ES subscription.

And I agree with m1fcj about Fedora, I afraid that RedHat will "AGAIN" pull the plug :(

So, what will you recommend me for new distro? a distro specifically for SERVER, has "up2date" feature, and can be installed as plain as possible that I can strip off all X windows from installation menu.
My choise is SuSe. I heard a lot about Debian, but I dont know much about it.

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" Well, I dont need paid support actually" and "I really depend on up2date for RedHat" are somewhat at odds. If you depend on being able to use up2date for security and bug fixes then you should be willing to pay RedHat for that service. At the moment (with the 50% off deal) an Basic 3.0 ES subscription is only about twice what an RHN subscription costs for RH 9. The full price ($349/US) is still pretty reasonable for what you get. I look at it like, "How many labor hours can I spend researching/fixing security issues for $349/year". The answer is probably not even one at typical labor rates.

Personally, I like the idea of a Linux distro that has a planned life of 12 months or more and that is tuned to what we usually do with servers. Enterprise Linux will tend to encourage third party vendors to port their products to Linux since there will be an expectation of stability w/respect to the OS environment. I can't find it right now, but I did see a commitment to a service life in excess of the release cycle and that give me a "warm fuzzy feeling" about commiting EL to a server application.
Fedora is targetting a 2-3 month release cycle and AS/ES are going 12-18 months with 5year support

I havent decided what I am going to do with my home PC's, i may try slack or something as I have often thought about playing around with some other distro's more, but at the same time I may just use Fedora.
As for my servers we'll see, I'm not the final call on those but I bet we move over to ES
Ok I lied, i went to gentoo on my home machine and I am really liking it!
MarkLead Sales Engineer - Public SectorCommented:
If you're depending on up2date for updates, you can get the same service for free from Ximian's RedCarpet product. http://www.ximian.com

You could also look into YUM (http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/download/2.0/) for updating your linux server.  This already comes with Fedora, but you can also use it on RH9 and many other *nix servers.
I think is a good idea to get apt for yourself. you can get it from http://freshrpms.net/apt/
it's better then up2date. and easy to use.
apt-get update will get the list of rpms
apt-get check will check your system see if any missing libs
apt-get upgrade will download and install any rpms that you need to update.
apt-get install XXX.rpm will install any rpm that on the list, so you don't even need a set of cd later. and all the rpms are up to date.

good luck
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Split between  jlevie and m1fcj
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