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Patching a 4.10 Netware Server and Using an IDE CDROM drive

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Recreating a 4.10 server, the old one is due to die shortly.

It's installed, however I need to add all of the patches.  I would like a list of the most modern patches to install on this system and where I can find them.  And the library files as well.

This system is now running on an IDE disk.  How do I add an IDE CDROM drive to this system so Novell can access it?

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No offense meant, but...   HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

4.10 has been off support for a few years.  Lucky for you, Novell is the kind sort of software vendor and has not removed all traces of unsupported platform patches from its website.

You should go to support.novell.com.  Click on "patches and fixes."  Click on NetWare under the Product Categories header.  About halfway down the list on the left is NetWare 4.1.  

<Gee, they still have patch and fix files all the way back to 2.2!!  What a company!>

You will find what you need there.  Don't ask me how to apply them, 'cause I haven't touched anything older than 5.0 for the past 6 or 7 years...
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As to your second question - you want to mount an IDE CDROM drive as a volume on NetWare 4.1.  

I don't remember all of the commands, to be honest with you.  Once again, it's been many years.  You have to load the crrom driver manually - there are command-line parameters IIRC with 4.1 cdrom support mount command.  It is a pain.

I will look it up in my 4.11 (a little newer, but should be close enough) manual and post what I find.
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Oh, well, I don't know if this will help you or not.  NetWare 4.11 "introduced" NPA.  4.10 apparently did not have NPA (NetWare Peripheral Architechture.)

In 4.11, you had to make sure that NWPA.NLM was loaded and the appropriate adapter HAM and device CDM were loaded, before you could load CDROM.NLM.  The load command format was "LOAD CDROM /V=<volume>" where <volume> is the volume name to assign to that CD.  After it's mounted you used the CD command to manipulate it or the CDROM objects that suddenly appeared in NDS.

If you can't use NWPA, then I don't know how to mount a CDROM.  Maybe someone else has some even older documentation than I do.
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By the bye, why not take this opportunity to upgrade the OS to something that is at least supported? NetWare 5.1 or something.  You can probably get it pretty cheap at www.buycheapsoftware.com.
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I take it back.  Buycheapsoftware.com has removed its novell product line for some reason.  Look elsewhere.  Start here.  http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_gen.php/form_keyword=netware/topcat_id=9/mode=newgoto/ut=411f7d7228f2a8f1
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Well, Cough, price is a problem.

We're an educational institute so we do get/got the Novell at a damm good price.  But it's working generally fine so why upgrade to the latest and the greatest?

May upgrade the student server to Linux running Samba.  That's not too bad and cheap.

The links look good.  Got some reading to do.  And sort out the installation order.
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Novell IS Linux now.  They just bought SuSe.

Anyway, like you said, as an educational institution you can get a damn good price on Novell products.  

The "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy doesn't go very far in today's IT world.  In order to keep pace with one segment of technology, you also have to update other segments.  

How many PCs on your network are running Windows For Workgroups 3.11?  None?  Why not?  It's too old you say?

Do you realize that the NetWare you're running is OLDER than Windows for Workgroups 3.11?

Technology keeps changing.  I Ching.  If you don't keep all segments of your network at a reasonably current level, you will have compatibility issues, guaranteed.  Microsoft changes enough about its desktop OS with each release and service pack to ensure that compatibility issues will exist, and mount with the age span.

Also, the version you're running has been EOL'ed.  It is no longer a supported platform.  Do you REALLY want to be running on a non-supported platform?

I'll bet it'd be dirt cheap for you to bump your NetWare to 6, and you'd see a lot of benefits from it.  If you're putting 4.1 on a new piece of equipment, you're wasting resources that NetWare 6 could take advantage of.
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Well, no.  

Its going from 64 Mb of memory to 512 Mb, a 2 Gb disk to 8 Gb, a 133 Mhz processor to 800 Mhz, a 10 Mbps card to a 100 Mbps card.

One user has 60 Mb files which continually go up and down the line.  He'll notice the difference.

New technology?  All we are doing is file sharing and printing on this server.  There's nothing new about that.

Will be interesting to see what Novell do with SUSE.  Trouble is Novell is kiss of death to applications and companies it buys.

Non-supported platforms?  Hell, I still run DOS.  It does the job.  Its when something doesn't do the job is when I am interested in upgrading.
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I wish the teaching establishment had the same attitude as you regarding curricula - why is it that we learned more by 6th grade back in the '50's and '60's than all too many students these days learn by the time they graduate high school?  Because the teaching establishment decided to fix what wasn't broke. and made some pretty sucky decisions.

When it comes to teaching kids, whatever is new is what is tried, whether it screws up the kids or not.  At least you are trying to maintain a standard of reliability, regardless of how old the technology is or how difficult it might be to find support.

Yes, that is irony.  As a great author, Spider Robinson, once said, "God is an iron."
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