Nabsdar
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Hello Everyone,
I feel quite awkward asking this question but I need to start somewhere!
I have now been in the Networking field for approx 2 years and enjoy it! From my experiences I can tell that I need to have some programming background to get ahead in my career. I have always had an interest in VB and Java.
My question to you is - What recommendation would you seasoned experts give me. Jump in to VB.NET or learn VB?
Do I need to know VB to get into VB.NET?
I know this is not the right forum for this so you don’t have to answer the following question if you don’t want to!
What is the difference between Java and JavaScript and how closely is it related to VB. Basically if you know VB can one understand JAVA code?
I have no experience what so ever in programming so if my question doesn’t make senses, please ask for more details.
Thanks in advance.
Nabs
PS – I will grant 500 points at the end of this question. So please brainstorm.
I feel quite awkward asking this question but I need to start somewhere!
I have now been in the Networking field for approx 2 years and enjoy it! From my experiences I can tell that I need to have some programming background to get ahead in my career. I have always had an interest in VB and Java.
My question to you is - What recommendation would you seasoned experts give me. Jump in to VB.NET or learn VB?
Do I need to know VB to get into VB.NET?
I know this is not the right forum for this so you don’t have to answer the following question if you don’t want to!
What is the difference between Java and JavaScript and how closely is it related to VB. Basically if you know VB can one understand JAVA code?
I have no experience what so ever in programming so if my question doesn’t make senses, please ask for more details.
Thanks in advance.
Nabs
PS – I will grant 500 points at the end of this question. So please brainstorm.
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Please let me know if you need help maintaining your old open questions:
1 09/03/2003 500 browsedui.dll error on win 98 strartup! Open Windows 98
2 10/17/2003 500 GROUP POILCY Open Microsoft Network
3 08/25/2003 250 DHCP will not assign automatic IP addres... Open Microsoft Network
4 09/30/2003 500 Terminal Services Open Windows 2000
5 10/08/2003 500 TERMINAL SERVICES AND PRINTER Open Windows 2000
Thanks,
Anthony
1 09/03/2003 500 browsedui.dll error on win 98 strartup! Open Windows 98
2 10/17/2003 500 GROUP POILCY Open Microsoft Network
3 08/25/2003 250 DHCP will not assign automatic IP addres... Open Microsoft Network
4 09/30/2003 500 Terminal Services Open Windows 2000
5 10/08/2003 500 TERMINAL SERVICES AND PRINTER Open Windows 2000
Thanks,
Anthony
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I guess you could maintain them for me. Better yet let me know how to close them and I will do it myself!
Thanks for your concern
Nabs
Thanks for your concern
Nabs
TooKool probably meant that .net makes it extremely easy to make dynamic asp.net webpages. You can actually design your pages just as you would a normal program (im talking in a general sense) inside the IDE (Intergrated Development Enviroment).
I have a different opinion. I believe that VB6 is much easier to learn than .Net. Nabsdar already said he was just getting into programming. I learnt everything about Vb from VBA, because I was designing databases, which is what someone in networking is usually involved with.
.Net is definitly more powerfull and lower level than VB, but unless you're completely comfortable with classes, it remains a larger amount of information to absorb!
.Net is definitly more powerfull and lower level than VB, but unless you're completely comfortable with classes, it remains a larger amount of information to absorb!
Just adding my comments...
* I'd go straight to .NET. I loved VB6, but it will die eventually. VB6 to VB.NET isn't a syntactically large leap, but conceptually they differ immensly. You have to re-learn the controls, the GUI, and forget all the things in VB6 you had to do to magically get them to work (anybody else remember having to enter "-4" as an additional attribute on a function through the object browser GUI to get "for each" loops to work?). Besides, they redesigned VB entirely when they made VB.NET... more or less because it was on it's last legs with VB6, held together with duck tape.
* Javascript is a language used by webpages on the client side (for those annoying page transitions or mouse trailers). Jscript is for server-side scripting for web servers. And Java is a language used to make actual applications and EXEs much like C++ (or VB) does.
* I'd go straight to .NET. I loved VB6, but it will die eventually. VB6 to VB.NET isn't a syntactically large leap, but conceptually they differ immensly. You have to re-learn the controls, the GUI, and forget all the things in VB6 you had to do to magically get them to work (anybody else remember having to enter "-4" as an additional attribute on a function through the object browser GUI to get "for each" loops to work?). Besides, they redesigned VB entirely when they made VB.NET... more or less because it was on it's last legs with VB6, held together with duck tape.
* Javascript is a language used by webpages on the client side (for those annoying page transitions or mouse trailers). Jscript is for server-side scripting for web servers. And Java is a language used to make actual applications and EXEs much like C++ (or VB) does.
>>I guess you could maintain them for me.<<
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I am not a EE Moderator, so I can do that.
>>Better yet let me know how to close them and I will do it myself!<<
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2. Click on Question History View
3. Click on Type to sort your questions abd bring your Open questions to the top.
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Anthony
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Thank you again for all your responses. Although it is difficult to judge who the points should be rewarded to since everyone answered my question. I believe it would be only fair to spilt the points to between:
Drifter88zxtW
TooKoolKris
RocketMan801
Idle_Mind
Since the all responded on the day I requested information. First come first server!!
Thanks everyone,
Nabs
Drifter88zxtW
TooKoolKris
RocketMan801
Idle_Mind
Since the all responded on the day I requested information. First come first server!!
Thanks everyone,
Nabs
What I meant about Web App Development & Security is that they were hot topics and top priorities for Microsoft right now. .Net makes building Web Apps with true controls much easier the normal ASP page.
The learning curve is obviously there, however if you haven't learned VB yet then you’re going to have a learning curve anyways. If you start with VB6 you’re going to have 2 learning curves. Once you understand how to build classes and subclasses you'll wonder why it was ever being done another way. Once you become fluent with it you'll be surprised how quickly you can code as well because every time you hit the "." button the IDE wants to type for you. VB6 does the same but it's not truly full blown object oriented so you don't type the "." all the time. In .Net everything is an object with properties so you are always hitting the "." key.
My advice is to buy you a decent beginning VB.Net book and dive in. Or give yourself a project to do and use the book as a reference. What I would do first is an address book that saves its info in an access database. Learn how to populate as many different controls as possible from the database. Learn how to make any change and search based on any field in the database. Once you have actually completed a decent address book look for way of adding things to it to make it better or make it easier for the user to save and retrieve their information. Then build it so it can be a server/client app. So that you can access it from the network from any pc and update and retrieve data from the clients.
Then when your done with that Web enable it so you can access it from anywhere with a Internet connection.
By the time you have successfully completed these projects you'll be in here helping others to do the same.
The learning curve is obviously there, however if you haven't learned VB yet then you’re going to have a learning curve anyways. If you start with VB6 you’re going to have 2 learning curves. Once you understand how to build classes and subclasses you'll wonder why it was ever being done another way. Once you become fluent with it you'll be surprised how quickly you can code as well because every time you hit the "." button the IDE wants to type for you. VB6 does the same but it's not truly full blown object oriented so you don't type the "." all the time. In .Net everything is an object with properties so you are always hitting the "." key.
My advice is to buy you a decent beginning VB.Net book and dive in. Or give yourself a project to do and use the book as a reference. What I would do first is an address book that saves its info in an access database. Learn how to populate as many different controls as possible from the database. Learn how to make any change and search based on any field in the database. Once you have actually completed a decent address book look for way of adding things to it to make it better or make it easier for the user to save and retrieve their information. Then build it so it can be a server/client app. So that you can access it from the network from any pc and update and retrieve data from the clients.
Then when your done with that Web enable it so you can access it from anywhere with a Internet connection.
By the time you have successfully completed these projects you'll be in here helping others to do the same.
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TooKoolKris:
Could you please elaborate on the Web application and especially security route with .NET. Secondly, I thought Java was the master according to everyone on web applications, I guess you have a different viewpoint?
Please explain.
Nabs