Needing a site to purchase an IDE Controller Card

Hi Everyone:

        Recently, I found the Primary Master IDE Controller on the motherboard of a friend's computer.  Since he has four IDE devices and only two can share the Secondary Master IDE Controller, I am now in a position of needing a PCI IDE Controller Card.  With this point in mind, could someone provide a link or links to sites which sell these at reasonable prices?  

        Thank you

        George
       
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sunray_2003Commented:
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Glen A.IT Project ManagerCommented:
hit www.pricewatch.com and put "ide controller card" into the search box.
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Glen A.IT Project ManagerCommented:
http://www.pricewatch.com/1/44/247-1.htm

And take your pick of which you feel the best deal is.
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sunray_2003Commented:
That site should provide you with numerous sites showing reasonable prices

Sunray
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Glen A.IT Project ManagerCommented:
also of note:  does your friend not have a secondary channel??

most computers for a long time have had primary and secondary channels and allow master and slave on each for a total of 4 ide devices.
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Glen A.IT Project ManagerCommented:
Just an fyi, MUCH better prices on my link . . .  no offense sunray, but pricewatch is usually the best place to find inexpensive computer hardware.  All major vendors list there.
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GMartinAuthor Commented:
Hi Everyone:

        Well, since one controller, namely, the Primary Master IDE Controller is bad, I can only run two IDE devices from the pc's motherboard.  Now, once I get the PCI IDE Controller Card, will I run into any IDE cabling limitations like insufficient length or type of cable (Ultra IDE versus Standard IDE) issues?

         Any further followup will help me make a better, informative decision when purchasing the PCI IDE Controller Card.

         Thanks

         George
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Glen A.IT Project ManagerCommented:
OK, didn't know it was bad, you said:

  "Recently, I found the Primary Master IDE Controller on the motherboard of a friend's computer."

And was curious as to whether it was lost, but I'm assuming you mean you found it was bad.  :-)

As for cabling, you should match the cabling with the device.  If you have an UltraATA 66/100/133 Hard drive and purchase a controller capable of handling that, then you should use the 80pin UltraATA cables for it.
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Glen A.IT Project ManagerCommented:
You shouldn't run into cabling length issues if you purchase long enough cables, or the cables you have are already of sufficient length.  The cable length with a card is usually slightly longer than to the IDE connectors on the board, so sometimes you need to purchase a longer cable, yeah.
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dbruntonCommented:
Cabling will depend on the hard disks you choose to install and the card.

If you have UDMA (ATA) 33 disks or better then you'll need Ultra IDE cabling and a card to support it to get the performance that UDMA gives.


Note it is unusual for the Primary Master Controller to fail and the other controller to keep going.

Check that the Primary Master Controller is enabled in the BIOS.
Test the Primary Master Controller with a hard disk and cable that are known to work on another machine.
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GMartinAuthor Commented:
Hi,

       Thanks for the prompt replies.  I am considering running the DVD Player from Primary  IDE Channel of the PCI Controller Card and the CD Burner from Secondary IDE Channel while leaving the bootable HDD connected to the Secondary Master Controller of the motherboard.  Will the logistics of this plan work out without any conflicts?

        George
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Glen A.IT Project ManagerCommented:
UDMA33 uses standard 40pin IDE connectors, dbrunton.

ATA66 some required the newer 80 pin cables and some work fine with 40pin IDE cable.  But it's best just to get the 80 pin cable to be certain.

ATA100 and 133 always require the new 80pin cable.
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Glen A.IT Project ManagerCommented:
If the controller card your purchasing is faster / newer than the secondary channel, you might want to put the bootable HDD on the new controller card for performance considerations.

Otherwise, I see no problems.
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dbruntonCommented:
>> UDMA33 uses standard 40pin IDE connectors, dbrunton.

True.
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GMartinAuthor Commented:
Hi Everyone:

       Considering the distance between the IDE controller and the actual IDE devices, is there a specific length of IDE cable which can work around this potential limitation?  Or, does all Ultra and Standard IDE cables the same length?

       Thank you.

       George
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Glen A.IT Project ManagerCommented:
You can purchase various lengths of IDE cables.  It's easy to find 24" and 30" ones, which are more than long enough for your optical drives.
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dbruntonCommented:
You can get longer cables.

24" and 36" cables can be bought but you might have to shop around to find them.
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Glen A.IT Project ManagerCommented:
FYI, you should be aware although 24" and 36" cables can be bought, like we said, the actual specification for IDE puts the maximum length at 18".  Odd that people make longer and they seem to work, but according to spec, the maximum is 18".
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GMartinAuthor Commented:
Hi Everyone:

        I want to express my gratitude for the prompt and informative feedback.  Especially appealing is the link to pricewatch.com.  I am confident I will be a repeated user of this site.   With the help of the additional followups, I feel confident enough to proceed with purchasing the proper components to rectify the situation with the bad Primary Master Controller.  

       Thank you again.

       George
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Glen A.IT Project ManagerCommented:
Good luck, George.  All the best.

Ab.
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buckeyes33Commented:
You should go to ebay.  They are dirt cheap off there due to the fact the western digital is putting them in with new hard drives.  I got a promise technology controller card for 15 bucks.  
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Glen A.IT Project ManagerCommented:
Wasn't aware WD was doing that.  Maybe that's why some are so cheap on pricewatch.com too, they're starting at $16 including shipping.
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buckeyes33Commented:
Yeah, In their larger drives b/c of MB not supporting them.  Great for getting an awesome deal.  At least compaired to what you would have to pay for them six months ago.  I think that maybe some of the maxtor drives come with them to, but not sure.  :)
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Glen A.IT Project ManagerCommented:
Must be a retail box thing.  I'm usually getting my drives OEM, so I don't generally see them.
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buckeyes33Commented:
you are correct.
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