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hi,

i have read an article here in E&E regarding the slow boot up in the winXp or should i say it hang for around a minute or so,

well they are no solution for that question, but i wonder is there any software that could trace what program is running in the

background when the pc is booting up?? my pc having the same problem, after finishing loading all the startup item, the pc

hung for a while ( about 30 second ) as i cannot click the start botton or any thing else. during the 30 second hung, i can see

the hardisk LED flashing for 30 second plus ( as were told by the past questioner ), Hd led flashing means that they were

program running in the background AND that makes my pc hung for 30 sec plus...

i have try adaware, spybot, full system scan ( antivirus- updated ), defragment my hd and i even check it with

' hijackthis.exe ' program. show's no unusual programs. just normal application. As crazyone told in the article it might be

bug's. well i don't think it is a bug,

that they were program running in the background.

i have this program in my winxp.

norton2003
adaware
spybot
microsoft games
eagames ( MOH,+++)
pc booster
modem booster
nero 6
adobe photoshop 7
winzip
winrar
msOffice2000
adobe acrobat reader
palm programs
updated winxp sp1
critical update winxp
( this i remember )

i have try to run ' msconfig ' then i disable all the startup item and also disable all system.ini. but problem still the same.

well seems that i have done everything, well as were told earlier, my question is, is there any programs that can keep track

what is running in the background when the pc is booting up ( when the hd led is flashing ). or is there any solution for this??

reformatted my pc is not a good idea, as there were alot stuff i want. uninstall ALL the program also seems not the good idea,

i have disable the system restore for a long time now, so no system restore.

regards
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by:Pete Long
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Hi gx100,
Slow Win XP on Network

The FIRST thing to check Is the PC has Valid DNS server in its Connection Properties (Under TCP/IP) and the correct DNS suffix. You might want to try Adding Your Domain Controllers IP address in as the secondary DNS server.

*****Slow Network Operation*****

Ensure You have Service Pack 1 Which fixed a bug for slow network browsing see
http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2003/0424micropulls.html

By default Windows XP searches for Network Shares and Printers to disable this follow this advice
http://is-it-true.org/nt/xp/atips/atips23.shtml

If your connecting to a W2K Server it will autodiconnect Idle LAN connections after 15 Mins to disable this follow this for advice
http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/194/

The problem might be n the local machine Speed up XP by disabling indexing
http://www.activewin.com/winxp/tips/basic/21.shtml

Slow copying Files from XP in a Domain Enviroment? See
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;321169

Slow Network Performance Occurs If You Copy Files to a Windows 2000 Domain Controller
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;321098

*****Slow Startup*****

Correcting System Hang at Startup

If your system hangs about 2 or 3 minutes at startup, where you can't access the Start button or the Taskbar, it may be due to one specific service (Background Intelligent Transfer) running in the background.

1. Click on Start/Run, type 'msconfig', then click 'OK'.
2. Go to the 'Services' tab, find the 'Background Intelligent Transfer' service, disable it, apply the changes & reboot.

How to Perform a Clean Boot in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310353

Slow logon to domain in XP Pro
http://www.windowsxpatoz.com/cgi-bin/performance/index.cgi?answer=1036283899&id=1036282433


Fast Boot / Fast Resume Design
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwdev/platform/performance/fastboot/default.mspx
BootVis.exe Tool
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwdev/platform/performance/fastboot/bootvis.mspx

Is the machine slow logging into the a Domain? See
http://www.windowsxpatoz.com/cgi-bin/performance/index.cgi?answer=1036283899&id=1036282433

PeteL
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by:Pete Long
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gx100,
Windows XP running slowly?

The following is a list of tweaks and tips for speeding up Windows XP.

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Make Sure You're virus Free

Go To http://security.symantec.com/ssc/vc_about.asp?ax=0&langid=ie&venid=sym&plfid=23&pkj=LUDKIHKERRDTIPOKYJL
For a Free online check

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Make sure you don't have any Spyware or Adware running on you're PC

Visit http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

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Turn off automatic updates!

Start >Control Panel > Performance and Maintenance > System >Automatic Updates tab > Tick "Turn off Automatic Updating"

Or if you're on Windows Classic view

Right Click My Computer and select Properties > Automatic Updates tab > Tick "Turn off Automatic Updating"

You will now need to stop the service

Start >Control Panel > Performance and Maintenance > Administrator Tools > Services >Locate the "Automatic Update" service > Right click it and select Properties > Change the Startup Type to "Disabled".

**Warning its now up to you to keep up to date with any hot fixes or service packs.

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Disable "System Restore" service and "Indexing" service

Start >Control Panel > Performance and Maintenance > System >System Restore Tab > Tick "Turn off System Restore"

Or if you're on Windows Classic view

Right Click My Computer and select Properties > System Restore Tab > Tick "Turn off System Restore"

You will now need to stop the service

Start >Control Panel > Performance and Maintenance > Administrator Tools > Services >Locate the "System Restore" service > Right click it and select Properties > Change the Startup Type to "Disabled". Then Locate the Indexing Service and disable that also.

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Tweak the Page File settings.

See http://www.geocities.com/ziyadhosein/wxptwks.htm

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Defrag the Hard Drive!

Even if XP tells you it doesn't need doing!

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Find out what’s running in the background!

Press Ctrl + Alt + Delete

Then click the processes Tab (Lot of stuff there eh!) Find out what all that means here

http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm

If theres anything that shouldn’t be running, uninstall it! Or find out where it was launched from, either the startup folder, or from the registry, look at this registry key

HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

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Find out what services (You don’t need) are running in the background

Look here http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/service411.htm

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Ensure You’ve got all the latest Service Packs and Hotfixes From Microsoft
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp
Ensure You have all the latest Drivers for Your Hardware (And Windows XP supports it!)
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hcl/default.mspx

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If you don’t see any improvement after that lot GO AND BUY SOME RAM!!!
PL
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Try these aswell

a) Once your system is up and running ,go to Start --> run --> msconfig and dictate the startup programs
Also go to registry and check these entries

"
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnceEx
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices
"

b) Download the latest patches and security updates for your OS and other applications.Also go here and check if you have latest hardware drivers http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hcl/default.mspx

c) Check for unwanted starting services and disable them
http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

d) Try doing system file checking ( start ---> run --> sfc /scannow)

e) Disable System restore

f)MS blaster worm
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blaster.worm.html

g) Computer slows down as Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect CPU utilization reaches 95% or higher

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/b69c799adfa31ecc85256aa30052f4d0/f0c69fcb50e2eeaa85256b180068dbf5?OpenDocument&src=bar_sch_nam

h) Try using this to check which one is consuming more usage
http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/procexp.shtml

How to Break Down the System Process
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;295714

i) Run system defragmentation , Disk cleanup and run CHKDSK /r

j) Check for tweaking of windows xp here
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,5155,00.asp

k) Test your ram using http://www.memtest86.com/

l) Check out windows xp tweaks here  http://www.tweakxp.com/

m)Check this http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwdev/platform/performance/fastboot/default.mspx
Download it from here http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/utils/BootVis.exe

n) Correcting System Hang at Startup
http://www.windowsxpatoz.com/cgi-bin/performance/index.cgi?answer=1036282950&id=1036282433

o) Tweak page file
http://www.geocities.com/ziyadhosein/wxptwks.htm

p) Improve performance

Optimize Virtual Memory for Performance in Windows XP
http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/expertzone/columns/mcfedries/03june16.asp

Improve Windows XP's hard drive performance with disk striping
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6255-1040548.html

Modify Settings to Improve Performance
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/tips/october/ruffin1.asp

Improve Core System Performance (Windows NT/2000/XP) Popular
http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/399/

http://www.techbargains.com/hottips/hottip12/index.cfm

Q) Restore windows xp to see if that would bring your system back to normal state

HOW TO: Restore the Operating System to a Previous State in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;306084

HOW TO: Start the System Restore Tool from a Command Prompt in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=304449

HOW TO: Start Your Computer by Using the Last Known Good Configuration Feature in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307852&sd=tech

R) Also you may want to Repair:

http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/repair_xp.htm

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;307545

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade (Reinstallation) of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;315341

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by:sunray_2003
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gx100,


Please check out Petelong's comment first and then check mine

Thanks,
Sunray
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by:JerryS39
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This happened to me, but it would hang indefinitely instead of a few minutes. Remove the file mup.sys (not sure if this is correct didn't write it down) This is in the default setup and allows XP to connect to multiple types of network connections. After I removed it Xp started right up in less than 45 seconds.

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by:gx100
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as i say above, i have run adaware and pybot , nothing there..

as for the msconfig stuff, i have also try to run in diagnostic mode, means it already disable all the startup item,

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

i think the above registry can be seen in the msconfig startup file right??

Jerrys39, are you sure it is the mup.sys ?? i will try to search for it.

regards
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by:JerryS39
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it may be mup.dll
try stepping through the startup and you'll see when it loads ..... your system will hang
it has something to do with Multiple UNC
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by:gx100
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hi JerryS39,

well it was indeed the mup.sys file, i have read some article in the web saying that the XP sp1 and explorer SP1 did slow down the system, the 1st time i search the mup.sys, i found at below,

C:\windows\system32\drivercab\
and
c:\windows\servicepacks\ ( i think it's here )

1st time i delete, it promt me that should the windows recover the files, i put ' no '

then i reset, and reboot. well the 40sec that hung weere gone. BUT 1 problem is when it shutdown,

hung for about a miniutes when shutdown, seems like it searching for network or something like that.

so i restore the file's back and everything same as usual, hung for 40 sec at boot up and shutdown works fine.

then i try to delete the mup.sys again, it seems that it automaticaly replace a new mup.sys when i delete. it replace almost instantly.

any idea how to delete it?? i plan to rename the mup.sys to mup.bak when i get back. do u think it will works?

IF i indeed success rename it, the shutdown might be a next problem. any more idea?

boot up works and shutdown hang if i delete it. how to disable it at registry editor?

regards
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by:JerryS39
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gx100

try downloading Q311967_WXP_SP1_x86_ENU.exe

it is a security patch for mup and supposedly fixes the problem

I think I just booted in dos mode and deleted the mup file from there

otherwise it just replaced it every time I deleted it

I didn't have the shutdown issue you describe

my pc shuts down in less than 30 seconds
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by:dovcamp
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This was already mentioned, but it was mixed in with a lot of other stuff.  Have you tried the following tool, to identify what is taking up so much time during boot?

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwdev/platform/performance/fastboot/BootVis.mspx

Dov
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by:simpsonehh
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check the settings of you anti virus software to see if it is doing scans on startup and shutdowns.
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by:gx100
ID: 9916489
hi JerryS39

i have download the patch, i'll get into it the next day, and i'll try to delete it in the dos mode.

thz

regards
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by:gx100
ID: 9919599
hi Jerrys39,

well the patch is only work for winxp WITHOUT sp1, can't install it.

but i have successfully remove the mup.sys through safe mode with command prompt.

another way is to rename it from mup.sys to mup.bak,

the booting up works fine but as i told earlier, the shutdown make's problem.

i seems can't shutdown my pc after i remove or rename the mup.sys. when i press shutdown,

it seems no respond from the pc, the hd led just blink a few time's then nothing happen. even i press shutdown

a few more time also nothing happen. i only can shutdown if i do this

press Ctrl + Alt + Del then the task manager will come out. from there only can shutdown.

but after successfully shutdown the pc, i can see the windows  come out a message where

beffore ' the windows is shutting down ' message appear, it come out this message

' disconnecting network ..... ( forgot what's the message )' then only the ' the windows is shutting down '

appear.

i replace the mup.sys back and the booting back to normal and take's a longer time to boot, and shutdown is getting back to normal. it seems can't remove the mup.sys as the system shutdown will make problem.

any more idea??

i have use bootvis.mspx to track what is loading my pc, but see's nothing unussual. but i really suspect is the

mup.sys stuff. i have read that i can disable the mup.sys by type it at the command prompt ' disable mup.sys '
and that will do. i haven't try it yet but i'll try it but i hope there will solution for it?



regards
p/s jerry is your winxp is WITH sp1 or without sp1??
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by:JerryS39
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I'll check tonite when I get home.
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by:gx100
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just fouind out that there are no disable command in the command prompt.

the only way is to delete it, but it will make my pc shutdown a problem.

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by:gx100
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oh,

just found out in the web that alot people are complaning the internet explorer sp1, and winxp sp1
just somehow that it make the pc unstable and hung.

well i think my pc started to hung after i install the both sp1 if i'm not mistaken. is the mup.sys coming
with winxp sp1? some solution says it conflic to the usb2 and nic. they just disable the usb2 on the bios but i dont know if it will work.


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by:gx100
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hi,

well it seems that i have solve the problem, i reinstall the winxp WITHOUT sp1 and that's remove the winxp sp1.
after removing the sp1, well my pc started to boot up under 2miniutes. i solve my own question.... hmm....

regards
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by:svjayanth
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Try this to reduce the startup time:

open regedit, browse down to

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\PrefetchParameters

find "EnablePrefetcher", and change the value to 5. the default value would be 3.

reboot the computer, and dont loose heart if u dont see a remarkable increase in bootup time. it might take abput 5- 10 reboot cycles.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO BACKUP REGISTRY BEFORE EDITING IT
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by:rfennimore
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If you have your ethernet card enables, then disable it. Do a reboot and see what happens. Depending on your network config, XP can hang for quite a while when you reboot. I have an external 80GB drive that can plugin with either an ethernet card or USB cable. When I use the ethernet, it hangs on boot. If I disable it, it boots normally.

Worth a try.
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by:kishorelv
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hi
  do one thing
click on start and run and type msconfig and thenclick on startup(right hand side top cornor)
and thenclick on disable all apply and close
 i think now ur system will run
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by:Jamie_Steele
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I see this has been closed for a while... but this happens when you have a NIC looking for a DHCP server.

If you're not on a LAN with a DHCP server, then set a static IP address.
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by:rfennimore
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I will assume you have a broadband internet connection. Go to the control panel, and then to Network Connections. Find your LAN or Highspeed internet connection, right click and hit DISABLE. Reboot your computer and tell me if WinXP still hangs for 30 seconds.
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