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Orion Vs Ciscoworks adn HPopenview

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I have been working with the evaluation version of solrwinds ORION. I have no prior expereince with hpopenview and ciscoworks. I need to justify to my mangement that we can save some money by buying orion rather than any of the other 2. Please let me know what is that hpopenview or cisco works has or can do that orion cant.  I have the eavl version of hpopenview and ciscoworks (which is giving me some installation errors) but I dont have the time to explore all 3 of tehm at the same time.
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I happen to really like Orion, and I use the SolarWinds engineer tool set quite often. I've also had experience with CiscoWorks, both the full CW2k version and the CWW version (What's up Gold and CiscoView), and some experience with HPOpenview.

Here's my thoughts for what they are worth:
Orion - great visual tool to see the health of servers, routers, switches, all at one glance, with great drill-down capabilities to see details. Awsome product for the price.

CW2K - great Resource management tool for an environment with all Cisco products. Does not play with/work with servers. Very expensive software, updates needed regularly, high maintenance cost, needs very high-performance server to run on.

CWW - good graphical everyday monitoring tools for up/down. Good for small networks. The CiscoView is OK if you only have a handful of Cisco devices. What's UP can monitor almost any SNMP capable device.

HPOV - again, a very powerful common management platform. Very capable, but also very expensive, with expensive "modules", expensive maintenance, and steep learning curve to take full advantage of it.

If it was my money, I'd go with the Orion for everyday monitoring..
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If you have an eval version of CiscoWorks, it is the CWW version. It really does not have near the capabilities of the SolarWinds Orion product.

If it's giving you install errors, it could be that you need to update your JRE...Java RunTime from http://java.sun.com

You need 1.3.1 or 1.4.x
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Irmoore, As usual your inputs are indeed valuable. I am finished installing cisco works. I am able to launch the application fine, login successfully and use the traceroute etc functionalities. But whenever I try cisco view module or the campus manager module (which I indtaled later), I get the Microsoft XP Error reporting dialog box.

I can check the jvm module from the view>java console option in the internet explorer. How and where do I check the JRE version. But i am sure I installed the lates availabe JRE.
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Check the JRE version in Control Panel Add/Remove Programs and/or IE, tools, Internet Options, General Tab, Temp Internet files, Settings button, View Objects button. Look for Java Runtime Environment 1.3.1
If it shows Installed, then you're good to go
If it shows Damaged, then first go into Control Panel add/remove and remove JRE, then go back to IE and remove it from the downloaded program files.
Go to http://java.sun.com and get JRE 1.3.1 for Windows
Install it
Then open IE, Internet Options, Advanced tab, scroll down and check all three java boxes under Microsoft VM
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lrmoore, Besides the already 20 points deserved by you , I am going to give you 20 more points if you hel me with the following:

First CW2K is up and running. When I try to discover network topology, it says "Define seed ANI server". I go to ANI server admin and define the MSFC router in the core switch as the seed in the discovery settings.I get a message to restart the ANI server ( How do I do it?) Anyways,I rebooted my machine and tried to run topology services again, but I get the same message to deifne seed in the ANI server.

Please help, thanks, net-geek.
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Irmoore, Please dont answer the above question as It is discovering the network now.
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