How can I design a work flow that incorporates HTML designers and programmers to build a dynamically generated web site that will keep expanding and growing over time?

Posted on 2004-03-23
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Last Modified: 2010-04-01
Hi :)

I am Using Dreamweaver MX to create HTML pages Front end using Dwt templates

now My Back end person who using JSP and I don't know thing about jsp

He asked me

give him 3 separate html




how can I do effectively so I can manage my look and feel and also he can manage from his end

To allow HTML designers (that is, humans) to use their favorite HTML editing tools Dreamweaver without learning JSP, and to allow marketing people  to change the look of the site on a whim, without having to alter the database access code inside the servlet. (And vice versa -- to alter the business logic and data access without altering the user interface.)

Here is my HTML

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">

<table width="100%"  border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" bgcolor="#000000">
<td><table width="100%"  border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3">
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">HEADER TOP Home Abuot Buy Sell extt</td>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Body Text forms contant ect..</td>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Footer</td>

Please Explain  in Detail so I can go to them and present my case


Question by:Sanjiv Rajiv
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ID: 10668446
> I don't know thing about jsp  
Look at  these  

>now My Back end person who using JSP
Is he going to use  JSF  ?
Is he going to use a framework like Struts ?  

>how can I do effectively so I can manage my look and feel and also he can manage from his end
Seems to me,  it is his job to make your job easier.  
Please look at  the pages  I have posted  and talk to your JSP programmer.
Afterwards restate your question here.
I think there are many experts  that will help you sort this out.

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by:Sanjiv Rajiv
ID: 10673682
Thanks Let you Know

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isoplane earned 2000 total points
ID: 10675368

We work in such an environment but it goes the other way round.

1) The developers implement business logic and create functional JSPs. It is up to the developer not to place scriptlets and code in there but to use tags to keep it maintainable. If they can't do this then get new developers ;). Another way would be you creating the diesgns 1st and then the developers JSPig your pages (I prefer the 1st approach: 1st functionality, then design)

2) You can load and edit such JSPs directly in DreamWeaver. We are usually dropping builds onto a server and share the directory with the JSPs out to the web designers. The web server recompiles the JSPs on change so the web designer can immediately see the changes he makes. Out of courtesy (and desperation) the developers also take these edited JSPs and stick them into the version control system for the web designer.

3) Marketing work with the web designer for complex stuff. They also need to specify which areas they want to be able to modify themselves. This is restricted to changing text and graphics but not layout. For this you need a content management system. You can do anything between spending a fortune on a commercial product, get something open source or ideally have the developers build something that suits your needs. It's not tricky. All you need is a database or file system, identify content snippets by keys and let the user change the values to display. The system reads and assembles the content per request.


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Expert Comment

ID: 10676478
To ask you need you should use FRAMES:

<title>Your title</title>

<frameset rows="155,*, 25" cols="100%" frameborder=0 framespacing=0>
      <frame name="Header" scrolling="no" frameborder=0 framespacing=0 marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 noresize="true" src="YourHeader.jsp" tabIndex=-1>
      <frame name="Body" scrolling="no" frameborder=0 framespacing=0 marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 noresize="true" src="YourBody.jsp" tabIndex=-1>
      <frame name="Footer" scrolling="no" frameborder=0 framespacing=0 marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 noresize="true" src="YourFooter.jsp" tabIndex=-1>
            No frames supported.


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Expert Comment

ID: 10677093
>To ask you need you should use FRAMES:

Javier I agree, using frames makes more sense than using  table cells. But coudn't the JSP person intend to  use   jsp:include  action  or the include directive   to assemble the page.

Expert Comment

ID: 10677566
We use JSP include for these occasions.

Expert Comment

ID: 10677733
Well I was just trying to make easier to asnwer what the user said about the assmble of the pieces I just don't know what to say all I use to do my applications is a Text Editor, don't know about DreamWeaber or else.



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