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Cannot setup a home Lan with two PCs, both running XP

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Hello,

this is my first time asking a question and I am not familiar with the procedure, appologize if not doing well.

I am trying to setup a home lan with two PCs both running windows XP. I tried to connect them using a HUB. As it didn't work I also tried a cross cable.

The 1st computer has a dialup connection to the Internet (firewalled). It is not that critical to me to share it, i will try it just from curiosity, my 1st priority is just to share folders, and if possible other peripherals such as scanner and printer.


Copmuter names: 1st PC = P3
                           2nd PC = P4
both have workgroup MSHOME

Following are the outputs of ipconfig and netstat commands for both PCs

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Windows IP Configuration for 1st PC
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Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:
        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
        Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 4.0.3.0
        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

PPP adapter Forthnet ISDN:
        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.16.150.20
        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 213.16.150.20


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Windows IP Configuration for 2nd  PC
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Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

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Netstat output for 1st PC
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Active Connections
  Proto  Local Address          Foreign Address        State
  TCP    p4:710                 p4.mshome.net:4524     ESTABLISHED
  TCP    p4:4524                p4.mshome.net:710      ESTABLISHED

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Netstat output for 2nd PC
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Active Connections
  Proto  Local Address          Foreign Address        State



I would appreciate any help!!

Vokos
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by:Pete Long
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is ICF disabled on both PC's
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Windows XP Built in Firewall (ICF)

The (Internet Connection Firewall) that ships with XP while not a bad thing us usually the cause of most home networking "woes"

You should get a reliable Firewall if you spend any time online

***Not Free***
Zone Alarm http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/home.jsp
Norton http://www.symantec.com/sabu/nis/npf/
Black Ice http://blackice.iss.net/

***To Disable Windows XP Firewall***

1.  Open Network Connections (Click Start, click Control Panel, and then double click Network Connections.)
 
2.  Click the Dial up, LAN or High–Speed Internet connection that you want to protect, and then, under Network Tasks, click Change settings of this connection.
 
3.  On the Advanced tab, under Internet Connection Firewall, select the following:  Clear the Protect my computer and network by limiting or preventing access to this computer from the Internet check box. This disables the firewall, your computer and network are then vulnerable to intrusions.
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by:Pete Long
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and whats this all about?

Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 4.0.3.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
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by:kabaam
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Hi vokos,
Hi and welcome to EE.  
I see this and it stands out ... (FIREWALLED).  A firewall does not protect just a network connection such as the internent.
It protects the computer and any connections.. for the most part.
If you have a firewall setup it is more than likely interfering with the network you are trying to setup.
Disable any firewalls you may have in place including the XP ICF.



hth
Chad
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by:kabaam
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Morning PeteLong... I am going to get some coffe.. no more decaf for me.
deja vu ;-)
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by:Pete Long
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hello kabaam dont go speeding up on me, theres enuf experts faster than me these dayz :)
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by:mattisflones
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Hi vokos,
Welcome to EE.

Can you ping the PC`s?? If not, disable the built in FW and try..

Heres a troubleshooter for home networking:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;308007

Also disable simple file sharing controlpanel->folder options->View (scroll down to the bottom)

Enter controlpanel->administrative tools->Local security policy and:
Find the key, security settings->local policies->user right assignment and make sure that:
"deny access to this computer from the network" does not say anything else than the built in SUPPORT account.
"acces this computer from the network" allows guest and other users you wish to use..

Mattis
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I have to do something to keep up...getting slow in my old age
BTW, I don't know why I said 'morning'... it is afternoon here and evening there.... I am so confused.
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:)
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Hello guys.. Kabaam, did you notice that you passed me on the ranking for a moment? But now your back behind.. ;-)
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by:vokos
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I tried the following suggestions and still the PCs do not ping eachother:
1. Disable Firewalls -> No result
2. Checked Enter controlpanel->administrative tools->Local security policy and:
Find the key, security settings->local policies->user right assignment and make sure that:
"deny access to this computer from the network" does not say anything else than the built in SUPPORT account. Nothing strange there.

Still having the problem...
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by:Poofinger
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Are there green lights on the back of each of the network cards?

Also how many network cards do you have in the one computer?  Try putting both ethernet adapters  to the 192.168 address on the same PC (instead of the 4.)  Also not sure about xp home but xp pro comes with a network wizard to join two PCs, it saves the settings to a floppy and you put the floppy in the second computer.

Are they also on the same workgroup?  They need to be.
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by:vokos
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Thanks for the comments,

I have one network card (NIC) on each PC. It maybe confusing that you see a second on the P4 PC:
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:
        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
        Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 4.0.3.0
        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

This is my firewire connection. Thinking that this migt cause some kind of conflict, I disabled it but still not working.

I tried the wizard some dozen of times. I tried a bridged connection or without bridging.
To ensure that there is no hardware problem I did the followng:
1. Checked that the green lights are on
2. Try using another ethernet card (borrowed by a friend)
3. Checked changing thw connection of the speed, by using a 10Mbs hub (straight cables this time) . Both PCs, "realized" the change and in the notification area showed 10Mbs instead of 100Mbs when connected through the cross cable

As far as it cocerns the setting I tried many combinations, but always, yes, both PCs belong to thw MSHOME workgroup.

One thing that seems strange to me is in the notification area, one of the two PCs (P4) is showing some packet sent activity. In contrary, the other PC (P3) shows zero packets sent zero packets received. Maybe related to this is the netstat output that I have printed in my question where P4 seems to have somekind of established connection, while P3 seems not. I don't know if these findings that I have made, can help to the resolution of my problem.

Thank you all.

Still hoping for some help,

Vokos

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by:kabaam
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appoligies for the non-timely reply:

I noticed you disabled the firewall connection... good idea.. if it isn't used disable it.
BUT>>> What is this connection here?  I am guessing that it is an internet connection.  Does it work?

PPP adapter Forthnet ISDN:
        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.16.150.20
        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 213.16.150.20

on BOTH computers:
ping 127.0.0.1
ping 192.168.0.1
ping 192.168.0.2
gl
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by:vokos
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" kabaam", thank you for your answer,

regarding your suggestions:
1. Yes the forthnet connection is my internet connection that works - I am currently  using the P4 PC for submitting this comment :)

2. The ping results are as following:
a. BOTH PCs ping successfully 127.0.0.1
b. P4 (1st PC) successfully pings itself (192.168.0.1) but request timed out for the other (192.168.0.2)
c. The opposite for P3 (2nd PC). It successfully pings itself (192.168.0.2) but not the other (192.168.0.1)

Thank you again. If anybody has any idea, I increased the points for my question to almost the maximum available that Ihave!

vokos


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by:Pete Long
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hang on, look at your cat5 cables all the ends should look like this http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.long007/pics/RJ45/rj45socket568b%20copy.gif
do any of them look like this http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.long007/pics/RJ45/rj45socket568a%20copy.gif

if so thats your problem :) use the cable with the "wrong end" to go straight from one PC's NIC to the others (bypassing the hub) and try again
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by:kabaam
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are you corrently using a hub or crossover cable?
swap them out one more time ... are you sure it is a crossover cable?
What kinda hub are you using?  Some have a port for crossovers using straight cables... ensure you are not using that if you got it.
It appears that your settings are good.. there may be a hardware malfunction somewhere or a problem with protocols.
run this to reset TCP/IP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;299357

test connectivity... if still no worky worky...repair winsock stack
Winsockfix:
Download and run the following:
http://members.shaw.ca/techcd/VB_Projects/WinsockFix.zip

If after trying these two....and still no go... I would have to guess a hardware failure... NIC
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by:vokos
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Hello all

Peter Long: I checked the cables. I use the right cables. The colors are like the 568b pic when connected to hub. I also baught a croosover for PC to PC connection. It didn't work.

kabaam: a)I checked the cables b) I did run the reset program as well as the winsockfix. Then I had to re-enter the IP 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 to P4 and P3 accordingly, because the reset program, set the parameter to obtain an IP automatically. Unforunatelly this too, didn't work. c)I borought a NIC from a friend and swapped. It didn't work. Anyway I dont suspect the hardware as the led indicators are on and the connection status in the tray, shows that there is a connection

Thanks for keep trying. Problem persists.

vokos
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Do you have multiple NICs on these computers? Are you sure the cables are connected to the correct NIC?  
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I have only one NIC on each PC
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vokos,
I am glad to see you got it going again.  Looks like your NIC just wanted a change of scenery.  I used to see that a lot with hardware encryption devices.  I would have a rack with 12 of the same thing... I would have to move them around once in while to keep them happy... :-)
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