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Problems with games using 3D or/and OpenGL - Display

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Hello everybody,
Here are
Specs of my comp:
Athlon 1600+
GeForce2 MMX 64MB
CMI8738 Sound card
HDD 40GB
WinXP Pro OS

Problem: Few months ago I had Win98 OS and i played games such as Morrowind and Quake III
without any problem. I didnt play for some time and when few days ago I tried to play Morrowind introduction went well but when real play started, game freezes or goes very slowly-frame by frame in few min.
I decided to change OS and install new drivers and directx for my VGA card, so i formated my system partition and loaded WinXP pro.  But problem remains.
I checked and there is'nt any heat problems.
Games as Diablo LOD, Heroes of Might and Magic III and Civilization III work fine, but Quake III and Morrowind (which use OpenGL) do not.
In dxdiag there are no conflicts but my graphic and sound card are sharing same IRQ .
My graphic card does 3D tests for directx7 and directx8 withouth problem.
Formated again and
I didnt instal directx9 couse Morrowind requires only directx8.1 (which i had installed with WinXP)
and im not sure is my card directx9 compatibile. Problem, ofcourse is still there.
In Morrowind I have to exit by task manager and in Quake in often happens that i got message of device failure.
If there's any other info you need yust ask.
Thanx,
Dren.
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Oh, forgot about mainboard.
Its ECS K7S5A SiS 735 with SDRAM/DDR
Ram is 256 DDR
I tried to run Quake few min ago and i got this interesting message when it freezed and restarted:

Computer restarted after an unexpected shutdown.
Mocrosoft Windows detected a possibile device failure.

The driver for the display device was unable to complete a drawing operation.
Please check with device manufactureer for a driver update.

Please tell Microsoft about this problem.
The displa driver for NVIDIA GeForce" MX/MX 400
seems to be responsibile for the system instability.

Well i use generic NVidia drivers, newest version (downoladed it yesterday)
Thanx for info, I'll try what you said.
About hardware i put new printer and Sound card you asked is it onboard( replaced onboard card)
But I had a problem with this before i bought new sound card, and about printer im not sure did it happen before or after putting it in.
Dren.

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Had the same thing with a GF2 I had in a spare PC a while back and with Quake among other things. In my case it was because the GF2 was getting to hot because the fan had broken and my place is a real heat trap so open up the case and make sure the fan is still spinning properly. That is of course if you've got a GF2 with a fan on. I know a lot of them didn't.

Delete XP Pro and Re-install Win98SE.

Your system is too slow for XP-Pro (Especially for games)
My (Athlon XP 2400+, 512MB RAM, Geforce 4 - 64MB) won't even run Dungeon Siege on XP-Pro let alone Quake III or Morrowind.
As soon as I re-installed Win98SE all was fine again.
The games ran smoothly, didn't freeze or skip.

>Problem: Few months ago I had Win98 OS and i played games such as Morrowind and Quake III
>without any problem. I didnt play for some time and when few days ago I tried to play Morrowind introduction went well
>but when real play started, game freezes or goes very slowly-frame by frame in few min.

Xp is a VERY resource hungry operating system, and if your PC was running Morrowind slowly under Win98 then there is No way it will run under XP. Win98 does get slower and slower as you use it, so while Morrowind may have run fine under Win98 to start with, 2 months later it may not and get jittery and even freeze.

A fresh re-install of Win98se will solve your problems.
Make sure you have the latest video card drivers as well.

Cheers
Rodger

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Reapz: My card unfortunatelly doesnt have fan. It could be that it overheates, but this whole winter I had problems, and last summer when was 36C out there it run OK.
But if youre right, then my card is broken, so i have to buy new one. I'll have to borrow one from my friend to check it out, it seems.
Rodger: Quake III arena is game made more than few years ago and here are minimum requirements:
3-D Hardware Accelerator with full OpenGL® support*
Pentium® 233Mhz MMX® processor with 8 MB Video Card
or
Pentium II 266Mhz processor with 4 MB Video Card
or
AMD® 350Mhz K6®-2 processor with 4 MB Video Card (!!!!)
64 MB RAM
I have 4X faster processor, video card that has 16X more memory and 4x more RAM memory, which uses double speed.
Although i know that XP is memory hungry (I estimated that it needs around 100MB of RAM) theres plenty of memory that should be enough to start Quake III. And my screen goes dead when i come to options menu at the begining of the game.
And, again, it worked fine for some time at WIN98 but I got this problem when I still had WIN98.
Sorry, but I really doubt that my comp cannot play this game becouse of requirements.
But, I'm desperate and I'll try your solution, just i have to find my Win98 CD.I hope youre not angry with me couse I doubt your solution:) (i'm not eager to format my comp to install win98 and then reformat to install winXP again, you see:))
TO ALL:
I also downloaded old nvidia drivers couse i found on the net that new generic drivers that i use now can make problems with older graphic cards. No changes- still problems.
Thanx for all the comments.
Dren

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Lo m8,

You PC is more than enough to run XP. I have seen it running on computers half as powerful as yours with no problems even during gaming.

As for installing the older GFX drivers, the only way to do that is to totally remove the newer ones first and the best way to do that is to use this program...

http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/

Can't guarantee that this will solve the problem but it's the only way you can test properly with the older drivers.
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Well, asmo, I'm not really a gamer, but i do like to play games.:) Thats the reason why i didnt try to fix this problem first time I encountered it. Just i didnt feel like gaming. Now as i finished my study and i need to learn some programming for new job I spend much more time before screen and its borring to study all the time. So I wanted to solve it, but as you see I have problems with solving:))

Reapz, I know that my card is crappy for new games, but as i said to asmo i'm not a gamer (In fact i play RPGs only, and Quake isnt mine at all, my friend forgot it so i tried it just to check is it to my Morrowind cd or other 3d games are also affected.) To get back on track, Im still content with less hungry games :)) but as I already played Morrowind (with no problems) it strikes me as odd that it doesnt run now at all (it's not only unplayable but it doesnt start at all - I just see introduction movie and then black screen and music playing. Then after 20seconds first scene of game, which drawing isnt good at all. Then usualy all freezes.
Are you sure Morrowind is actually set to using OpenGL instead of software mode (if there is any)?

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Ok, I am sorry that i didnt post earlier, I've got a solution - my graphic card was broken. I borrowed the same card from my fried and everything was just fine. Thanks for all the answers.
Dren.
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